Rosenior does one

[Jim the Tiger]

No I don't think owners are massive racists, but I do know some black people. They often tell me that they feel their work and decisions are scrutinised more. I don't know if they are right or not, but its possible isn't it?

Basically, I blame the Daily Mail. Done me right so far.

If I was putting millions a year into a business I'd be scrutinising everything but obviously if thats happening in every day jobs its a worry.
Maybe they feel that way because its a narrative some black people in the spotlight portray things? Not my opinion by the way just a question!!!

 

[Drew]

If I was putting millions a year into a business I'd be scrutinising everything but obviously if thats happening in every day jobs its a worry.
Maybe they feel that way because its a narrative some black people in the spotlight portray things? Not my opinion by the way just a question!!!

As neither of us walk in their shoes, I guess we'll never know.

 

[Kalman II]

How is it unnecessary? Black and minority ethnic people are underrepresented in professional football management. I was using this as an example of a young black manager being made into a joke and then us wondering why we don't have many young and/or Black English managers. I didn't say he was made into a joke because he was black.

We've seen many a young player held back by a poor manager. Walter for example ruined Slater and Coyle last season, Coyle perhaps hasn't fully recovered. Coyle had a good season under Rosenior. Slater has been better this season and that is credit to Jakirovic. There was no guarantee that Jaden, Delap and Greaves were going to have good seasons. Greaves in fact appears to have gone backwards under a 'better' manager in McKenna.

I mean, he took us from near the relegation places to 7th so yeah, I'd say he had the right to feel confidence that he was doing something well.

Walter didn’t ruin Slater or Coyle. Slater missed a lot of chances during Walter’s tenure and Walter kicked off at him. Slater has since improved a lot with and without the ball.

Coyle has always been a poor player. He just got away with it under Rosenior because Rosenior prioritised possession above all else and expected Coyle to do nothing more than play safe passes to the keeper and centre-backs.

 

[Cityzen]

I think there was a period where every media outlet went full on crazy trying to tick boxes. Even minority groups found it patronising.

Its settled down now to a point, probably only the BBC and woke companies continue to practice it.

The fact is, and its really simple, if youre good enough you should get the job. Perfect example of this are Laura Woods and Gabby Logan. Theyre the best Anchors since Des Lynam. A threesome I'd have bloody loved to see together as well.

Did you ever watch W1A that funny spoof of the BBC? One episode a diversity and inclusion woman came in and lectured them about representing the demographics of the viewers. One bloke said if that was the case he would have to get rid of a lot of Asians, quite a few blacks and employ some more white presenters. Ah, no, that is not the way it works he was told. You don’t say…

 

[Ric Glasgow]

If I was putting millions a year into a business I'd be scrutinising everything but obviously if thats happening in every day jobs its a worry.
Maybe they feel that way because its a narrative some black people in the spotlight portray things? Not my opinion by the way just a question!!!

I've had more jobs than some people on here have had hot dinners and a lot of those jobs were agency based. A lot of those agency's employ a lot of black workers...

I have never once seen a black agency worker being treated any differently than people with my skin colour.

That's my experience and I stand by it.

 

[Edelman]

Apparently, the Chelsea players nicknamed Rosie 'the supply teacher'.

Says it all .
Complete player power

 

[Jim the Tiger]

Walter didn’t ruin Slater or Coyle. Slater missed a lot of chances during Walter’s tenure and Walter kicked off at him. Slater has since improved a lot with and without the ball.

Coyle has always been a poor player. He just got away with it under Rosenior because Rosenior prioritised possession above all else and expected Coyle to do nothing more than play safe passes to the keeper and centre-backs.

Totally agree.

 

[Jim the Tiger]

Says it all .
Complete player power

Yet when it was rumoured that our players got rid of Tim it was ok by some. Same for Man Utd fans with Amorim.

Sometimes fans love player power, other times they kick off about it.

 

[Ric Glasgow]

Yet when it was rumoured that our players got rid of Tim it was ok by some. Same for Man Utd fans with Amorim.

Sometimes fans love player power, other times they kick off about it.

I don't make a habit of buying the Daily Star but I picked a couple of different newspapers up this morning for a change.Big 2 page spread on Rosenior and they point to the Culture of the Club, player power and calibre of player brought in as the reason for Roseniors demise.

They're going to find it hard to find a replacement giving the toxic environment they're creating.

 

[Jim the Tiger]

I don't make a habit of buying the Daily Star but I picked a couple of different newspapers up this morning for a change.Big 2 page spread on Rosenior and they point to the Culture of the Club, player power and calibre of player brought in as the reason for Roseniors demise.

They're going to find it hard to find a replacement giving the toxic environment they're creating.

They could have literally just done a case study on man utd and saved themselves millions.

Countless people signing countless players but none of them addressing the issue which was culture. Hey presto, one of sir Alex's lads goes in and manages in the style he learned from the best and all of a sudden things change.

People will laugh but im not sure Frank Lampard is such a stupid suggestion for Chelsea, however he would need time and support. The players would immediately respect him, he has won the lot with that club, the same way Carrick walked in and had their attention.

 

[bradymk2]

They could have literally just done a case study on man utd and saved themselves millions.

Countless people signing countless players but none of them addressing the issue which was culture. Hey presto, one of sir Alex's lads goes in and manages in the style he learned from the best and all of a sudden things change.

People will laugh but im not sure Frank Lampard is such a stupid suggestion for Chelsea, however he would need time and support. The players would immediately respect him, he has won the lot with that club, the same way Carrick walked in and had their attention.

Personally

I hope mourinho goes back

 

[WSTiger]

****ing hell

The world is a better place we celebrate diversity, especially diversity of opinions, in particular one that is stated so succinctly

 

[PLT]

Walter didn’t ruin Slater or Coyle. Slater missed a lot of chances during Walter’s tenure and Walter kicked off at him. Slater has since improved a lot with and without the ball.

Coyle has always been a poor player. He just got away with it under Rosenior because Rosenior prioritised possession above all else and expected Coyle to do nothing more than play safe passes to the keeper and centre-backs.

That seems like something that was satisfying to write and maybe backs up what you're already thinking about Coyle, but I don't think it makes sense. Rosenior's style famously involved high-risk passing by defenders and the goalkeeper. One of the most popular lines used by his critics was that the system needed better players than we had for it to work. Now suddenly it's a simple style that can make anyone look good? Hmm.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

That seems like something that was satisfying to write and maybe backs up what you're already thinking about Coyle, but I don't think it makes sense. Rosenior's style famously involved high-risk passing by defenders and the goalkeeper. One of the most popular lines used by his critics was that the system needed better players than we had for it to work. Now suddenly it's a simple style that can make anyone look good? Hmm.

Agreed and Coyle was motm under Walter a lot too
I honestly can not get my head round the Coyle bashing
Successive managers play him
Out injured and gets straight back in under successive managers
But posters on here only see a misplaced pass from him and want him gone
It’s really ****ing weird

 

[Kalman II]

Agreed and Coyle was motm under Walter a lot too
I honestly can not get my head round the Coyle bashing
Successive managers play him
Out injured and gets straight back in under successive managers
But posters on here only see a misplaced pass from him and want him gone
It’s really ****ing weird

He’s crap, mate. I’ve defended him in the past but it’s impossible to pretend he offers anything anymore. He’s so wooden on the ball. He’ll get the ball and just stand there with his arms apart because he literally cannot make the passes to his teammates in space so he checks back inside to play the safest pass to the centre-back or keeper and it kills that passage of play. His body positioning and movement is so awkward and weird for a professional footballer. It’s like he moves only in right angles. His defending isn’t good either. He backs off wingers way too much for a fullback. His defending, passing, vision, crossing and movement are subpar at best.

 

[originalminority]

I don't make a habit of buying the Daily Star but I picked a couple of different newspapers up this morning for a change.Big 2 page spread on Rosenior and they point to the Culture of the Club, player power and calibre of player brought in as the reason for Roseniors demise.

They're going to find it hard to find a replacement giving the toxic environment they're creating.

Similar issues for Maresca but with that squad they would have done better keeping Maresca than appointing Rosenior.

 

[armchairfan]

saw a post with this gist yesterday:

hull city finish 7th. rosenior gets sacked.

strasbourg 7th. chelsea impressed and offer rosenior a job.

chelsea 7th. rosenior gets sacked.

The unlucky number 7, obviously.

 

[Heimdallr]

They could have literally just done a case study on man utd and saved themselves millions.

Countless people signing countless players but none of them addressing the issue which was culture. Hey presto, one of sir Alex's lads goes in and manages in the style he learned from the best and all of a sudden things change.

People will laugh but im not sure Frank Lampard is such a stupid suggestion for Chelsea, however he would need time and support. The players would immediately respect him, he has won the lot with that club, the same way Carrick walked in and had their attention.

Have you watched Manchester Utd much this season, Jim?

Strange really, they're seemingly playing worse under Carrick than Amorim, but getting results. Not pushing as hard or fighting for the ball as much, playing much slower - almost the opposite to what is currently successful in football of today.

 

[Jim the Tiger]

Have you watched Manchester Utd much this season, Jim?

Strange really, they're seemingly playing worse under Carrick than Amorim, but getting results. Not pushing as hard or fighting for the ball as much, playing much slower - almost the opposite to what is currently successful in football of today.

Watched them a fair bit. They've taken their chances better under Carrick but obviously we dont know what changed behind the scenes. The only thing you can go off is results and they improved for sure.
Genuinely think the atmosphere plays a part as well. Fans were always going to give Carrick more time.

 

[Trumpton Tiger.]

I've had more jobs than some people on here have had hot dinners and a lot of those jobs were agency based. A lot of those agency's employ a lot of black workers...

I have never once seen a black agency worker being treated any differently than people with my skin colour.

That's my experience and I stand by it.

Colour doesn't stop players getting picked for football teams either. As for Roseinor, I didn't even realise he was black until some idiot reporter highlighted that he was Hull City's first black manager.