Should Newcastle replace Eddie Howe

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Should Newcastle replace Eddie Howe

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Roland Deschain said:
Second blip for me, and significantly worse than the first of two years ago. Trend is backwards. Squad is poor. Football is awful. Spending saved the club from relegation, not just Howe.

As I said, when you’ve lost the crowd, the players and the excuses become so thin, it’s an impossible task. Always has been, at every club, ever. Personally think sticking with him into next season will be a very big mistake. The club needs a manager who can deal with more than one game a week and who has more than one plan.

Not a narrative mate.
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Now this is where I agree. I've said the same about the 2 game a week thing and I don't get the "no plan B" theory of his.

I think he was off his ****ing tits going all out in the champs league. Should have just bagged the cash, grabbed the co-eficient points and said "thank you very much" until we get a deeper squad with better quality.

However......This "lost the crowd" bit is online bollox. The boo's weren't for Howe. The boo's were for the players. Only chant that kept going steady all game was "Eddie Howe's Black n White army" from the Gallowgate.

Without a doubt there is people turning in the ground but its still very much the minority and even then it's not them demanding he be sacked its more along the lines of "it's maybe getting to that time".

I still standby the theory club will want someone with global recognition as next managerieal appointment so anybody thinking we'll appoint Iraola, Glasner, Fabregas, Ilzer Hoeneb or the like I fear will be mighty dissapointed.

And as for that if Spurs had won we were in a relegation battle comment........ Thats just ****ing ridiculous. ****s haven't won a game in forever and they're all of a sudden going to overcome a 9 points lead (had they won) in last 5 games?????
 
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JR41 said:
This is more than a bump... We're one of the worst sides the Premier league despite being one of the highest spenders over Howes tenure.

It's time to accept the situation and get rid of Howe, because he's absolutely useless with squad management and his in game management is the worst I've ever seen at the club.

He was riding a wave of money and positivity, but when the spending went wrong the reality has been exposed unfortunately.

Thanks for the 4 years and it's time to go on without him.
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Who do you want? and who do you think? Change the convo up a bit because we've been talking about Howe being replaced for years on here.
 
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Magnet said:
For me two years ago was a blip but not a bump.

We weren't ready for Europe ie squad wise and playing two games a week. EH got us there much sooner than had been envisaged or expected. Now you're trying to use that against him which, for me, isn't right. Also, without checking, we just missed out as well from memory.

This season is the first real bump and for me EH has earned the right to turn things round.

Personally, couldn't care less about how the crowd feel. This is is a multi million pound business not a beauty parade. We win the next five games and that crowd will be singing EH's name from the rooftops. That's how fickle they are.

As far as excuses are concerned what exactly are you expecting him to say? Gordon cant be bothered as he's pushing for a transfer? Then watch Gordon's sale value plummet. And so on. Managers can't always say what they want due to business, finance and stroking players egos that the Club have invested millions of pounds into.

And believe me EH has more than one plan. Just watch the games to see that. Also with a bigger and better squad comes the ability to play more than one game per week.
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I only watch on the telly, but I cannot see a plan b. The man himself said he doesn’t have one. Woltemade in midfield, Osula up front, Murphy as captain is strange team management. He just doesn’t seem to know how to rotate, which is odd. The team selection 2nd leg v Qarabag was mental. There are bad things spanning the entire season, which is unusual for someone who “deserves a chance” to turn it around. Bad things that have just gotten worse. Barca was embarrassing. Sunderland just as bad.

The squad assembled under his guidance is not fit for the purpose of reaching the upper echelons and is going to take an insane amount of effort to put right - but that’s coupled with the fact this manager really rates players like Barnes and Murphy, so where will we even strengthen? I get the lies on Gordon, but “no comment” sounds far tougher than “ooooo, he’s hurt his hip”. Or do you genuinely believe a buying club isn’t fully aware of the situation and instead thinks “well, he clearly doesn’t want to leave, it’s a hip problem”?!

As for the crowd, it doesn’t matter whether you couldn’t care less; if they’re gone, they’re gone and there’s no way back. Not when you add in the players downing tools. Murphy has every reason to put everything in and he couldn’t be arsed to track back.
 
JR41 said:
This is more than a bump... We're one of the worst sides the Premier league despite being one of the highest spenders over Howes tenure.

It's time to accept the situation and get rid of Howe, because he's absolutely useless with squad management and his in game management is the worst I've ever seen at the club.

He was riding a wave of money and positivity, but when the spending went wrong the reality has been exposed unfortunately.

Thanks for the 4 years and it's time to go on without him.
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How to say you're 'entitled' without saying you're 'entitled'. <laugh>

We are far from being the worst team in the PL. Try looking at the table. Also hyperbole and exaggeration don't help you succeed in a discussion. As for 'absolutely useless'. <laugh>. He's a PL manager. Doubt he would be a PL manager if he was genuinely 'absolutely useless'. Nothing but a soundbite.

Again the belittling of what he's achieved by 'riding a wave of money and positivity' shouts entitlement or poor grade wumming. Take your pick.
 
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Magnet said:
How to say you're 'entitled' without saying you're 'entitled'. <laugh>

We are far from being the worst team in the PL. Try looking at the table. Also hyperbole and exaggeration don't help you succeed in a discussion. As for 'absolutely useless'. <laugh>. He's a PL manager. Doubt he would be a PL manager if he was genuinely 'absolutely useless'. Nothing but a soundbite.

Again the belittling of what he's achieved by 'riding a wave of money and positivity' shouts entitlement or poor grade wumming. Take your pick.
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Over the last 11 PL games Newcastle have collected the same number of points as wolves....the worst side in the league..

Howe is a Chequebook manager.. It is clear.
 
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Roland Deschain said:
I only watch on the telly, but I cannot see a plan b. The man himself said he doesn’t have one. Woltemade in midfield, Osula up front, Murphy as captain is strange team management. He just doesn’t seem to know how to rotate, which is odd. The team selection 2nd leg v Qarabag was mental. There are bad things spanning the entire season, which is unusual for someone who “deserves a chance” to turn it around. Bad things that have just gotten worse. Barca was embarrassing. Sunderland just as bad.

The squad assembled under his guidance is not fit for the purpose of reaching the upper echelons and is going to take an insane amount of effort to put right - but that’s coupled with the fact this manager really rates players like Barnes and Murphy, so where will we even strengthen? I get the lies on Gordon, but “no comment” sounds far tougher than “ooooo, he’s hurt his hip”. Or do you genuinely believe a buying club isn’t fully aware of the situation and instead thinks “well, he clearly doesn’t want to leave, it’s a hip problem”?!

As for the crowd, it doesn’t matter whether you couldn’t care less; if they’re gone, they’re gone and there’s no way back. Not when you add in the players downing tools. Murphy has every reason to put everything in and he couldn’t be arsed to track back.
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As Hamish mentioned the boos were at the players. EH's name was regularly chanted and not for him to go.

We were never going to buy from the outset a squad of players to win the League. It always was going to require a reset at some stage.

Again you always talk players up and not down. It’s called man management.

I'm not saying EH hasn't made mistakes. I'm not saying I would have done exactly as EH has. What I am saying is that over his time he has earned the right to try and turn things round. The man has managed a team that won our first domestic trophy in 70 years. Yes, 70 years. And that was as recent as last season. You can't complain about Isak and the like leaving when they want when you don't offer any loyalty in return.
 
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jimileysbaldhead said:
<laugh>.....he can't be, according to you his signings are sh!te.
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Average around 49 million a player... Results only improved after the 1st big spend...the signings since have been ****e, highly expensive and the side is getting worse...it's why Newcastle are in this situation... Howes alleged greatness was money.
 
When we lose to Arsenal and Brighton, those still waivering may change their minds. We could actually end up 16th. I dont see where the next win is coming from as we arent a team, we have to passage of play, Howe is just putting a group of players out and hoping it somewhere works out as a win.
 
The club need to make a decision either way before the next home game. Back him, sack him, announce he is leaving end of season, whatever it is. The indecision isn't helping anyone, if Evanilson made it 2-0 on Saturday it was about to turn nasty in the ground and Howe doesn't deserve that.
 
The recruitment REALLY screwed us in the summer. Murphy has only looked good when assisting Isak. Every other season has been ****e and has now reverted to type. Elanga is shocking. So, we have no RW. The LW situation is just as bad. Gordon is shocking. 3 goals from open play in the prem all season. Barnes has chipped in with a few but has flattered to deceive more often than not. Up front, we have nothing. Wissa is awful and Howe doesnt know how to use Woltemade. So we have a championship level player up front in the form of Osula. Injuries and suspensions have hampered our midfield but again, Howe doesnt seem to know what his "b team" midfield three should be or how they should play. And again, in defence, we have had injuries seriously disrupting things. The point is Howe, despite these onfield issues, is still completely responsible. A. he had a big hand in the purchase of the players brought in that have failed because either they arent good enough or he doesnt know where/how to play them. B. he seems to have no ability to motivate and gee up the lads whatsoever. C. He appears tactically inept and is very reactionary and not proactive. We really have to start planning and acting like a big and successful club if we are ever to become one. What club worth its salt would keep on a manager that lost to their newly promoted arch rivals, TWICE, finish behind them in the league, in probably the bottom 6, get spanked in europe, in embarrassing fashion, have a quarter of a billion quid wasted on ill-fitting players and not be fired? It is farcical if you think of it all.
 
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Magnet said:
As Hamish mentioned the boos were at the players. EH's name was regularly chanted and not for him to go.

We were never going to buy from the outset a squad of players to win the League. It always was going to require a reset at some stage.

Again you always talk players up and not down. It’s called man management.

I'm not saying EH hasn't made mistakes. I'm not saying I would have done exactly as EH has. What I am saying is that over his time he has earned the right to try and turn things round. The man has managed a team that won our first domestic trophy in 70 years. Yes, 70 years. And that was as recent as last season. You can't complain about Isak and the like leaving when they want when you don't offer any loyalty in return.
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Hey, I hear ya; I'm not here to change your mind, and vice versa. Your reasoning is yours and not for me to say you're wrong, it's opinions is all, we just disagree.

Personally, I blame Howe for last Summer - yep, he was let down by a desperately absent PIF and instability, but he had a chief scout, his nephew, a vast network of scouting intelligence and still settled unwaveringly - and utterly failingly - on PL experience. I'm not sure I ever got over the £40m spent on Barnes, it's been all downhill from there.

I blame Howe for the unwavering faith in a desperately dated 433, that isn't working once a week and was demonstrably poor the last time we were in Europe. I blame Howe for the frankly bizarre rotation/non-rotation of the squad. I blame Howe for keeping players way, way past their sell by date. It's my personal take, but I just don't like a lot of the squad! I find a lot of them unreliable, flaky, middle of the road plodders. Over the last 13 months I've never seen such a spectacular collapse as Howe had managed to engineer, but it's all his fault.

In short, it's been dreadful and keeps getting worse, with most if not all of the blame sat with one guy - in my opinion.
 
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Magnet said:
As Hamish mentioned the boos were at the players. EH's name was regularly chanted and not for him to go.

We were never going to buy from the outset a squad of players to win the League. It always was going to require a reset at some stage.

Again you always talk players up and not down. It’s called man management.

I'm not saying EH hasn't made mistakes. I'm not saying I would have done exactly as EH has. What I am saying is that over his time he has earned the right to try and turn things round. The man has managed a team that won our first domestic trophy in 70 years. Yes, 70 years. And that was as recent as last season. You can't complain about Isak and the like leaving when they want when you don't offer any loyalty in return.
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I will always be eternally grateful for what Eddie has done for this club - easily the best moment of my 33 years supporting this club but you have to wonder..is it the over-gratefulness that we actually won something why we took so long to win something in the first place? Do you think at the end of the '69 fairs cup, the mood was "oh nice, we've won a cup under a successful manager. we can take our foot off the pedal now and bask in the glory for a few decades". Anecdotal but it really does feel like it. The following two decades were mostly piss poor. There has been a timidness to succeed culture at this club for far too long. We need to be cut-throat. We need to improve on what has come before. The moment we cling desperately to what has gone before (eddies success) that is when we fail to move forward and do better. We need to do better and I am sorry to say, I believe a better Newcastle United will only come about with a change in management, if only to prevent us from sticking with the old, just because "he won us something once".
 
Honestly can't believe that there are some still actually thinking he deserves another season. Do you not actually watch the games?, the lack of a plan B, the reactive not proactive approach, and his hyperbole substitution methods of like for like and if that doesn't work switching players to play out of their natural position.

This signs were there last season, not being able to work out several teams playing a low block and the Everton last game was a carbon copy of now. A team on the beach against a team looking for a win to ensure qualification to the champions league and his tactics left us relying on a lucky result for Man Utd.

His signings this year have been absolutely woeful. On the other forum I said at the time that Elanga and Wissa were awful signings. He signed a squad midfield player also, when we required a technical possession based first choice midfield upgrade. Woltemade was also never going to work unless the team changed the system, and there is no chance that happens.

As for no DoF, that is due to the owners backing Howe's wishes. He wanted Mitchell out and the owners backed him. No coincidence that Mitchell left within two days of the end of season meeting after the Everton game.

The only thing that matters is NUFC not any individual. He has to go.
 
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Et tu Brute said:
On the other forum I said at the time that Elanga and Wissa were awful signings. He signed a squad midfield player also, when we required a technical possession based first choice midfield upgrade. Woltemade was also never going to work unless the team changed the system, and there is no chance that happens.
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Why would you say they were woeful signings? Wissa scored 19 league goals last season and Elanga had been great at Forest. They've both just been big let downs, which wasn't expected.

Likewise saying Woltermade was never going to work out makes no sense because he was on fire when he started and has just fallen off the cliff since Xmas.

I don't fault the signings so much, the game management looks like the key thing now, which isn't there and hasn't been for a while.
 
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