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How are Labour doing after their first 12 months


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1. Energy independence is not really left wing is it. Even our previous right wing government has recognised this?
2. They didn’t mention the environment, so that’s just speculation on your part?


Anything which doesn't massively enrich the billionaire oligarchs who own most of our media and many of our politicians, is now considered left wing.
 
Anything which doesn't massively enrich the billionaire oligarchs who own most of our media and many of our politicians, is now considered left wing.
TBH, I always struggle when people turn these issues into political footballs. It’s the same with the immigration problem. IMO issues like energy independence and “stopping the boats” should be considered national security concerns and all of our elected officials, no matter what side of the political coin they sit, should be working together in the nations interest.
 
TBH, I always struggle when people turn these issues into political footballs. It’s the same with the immigration problem. IMO issues like energy independence and “stopping the boats” should be considered national security concerns and all of our elected officials, no matter what side of the political coin they sit, should be working together in the nations interest.


Yeah, those days of consensus politics, when every political party was considered to have the nation’s best interests at heart; they’re over.

Power is in the hands of those with the money to buy it (to quote a song by The Clash). And they don’t give a **** about the national interest.
 
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Can’t be nice being Jewish in this country. Sad that it has got to this stage. The left wing could soon have their dreams come true.


Amanda has been at the centre of her local community for years, as a volunteer and a governor at her two children's school in a quiet London suburb. But over the past two years, she says simply going about her daily life has brought her abuse. She has been spat at in the street, branded a "baby killer", and received a death threat, she says, all because she is Jewish.

Until recently, Amanda, 47, always openly wore a Star of David pendant around her neck. The Jewish symbol is a proud part of her identity and she had never thought twice about displaying it. Now, she tells BBC Panorama, she is afraid it marks her out as a target.

"It's hard to be openly Jewish sometimes in everyday life," she says. "Living in the UK now for Jewish people is very uncomfortable."

In a WhatsApp group of about 20 of her Jewish friends - many of them children or grandchildren of refugees from the Nazis, who once saw the UK as a haven from antisemitism - she says conversations have shifted from neighbourhood chat to more existential questions.

"There aren't any Jewish people I know that haven't got plans to leave," says Amanda. "The first thing we all talk about is: What is the exit plan? Where are you going? What will you do? When will you be going? Or they're already moved or moving."


 
Can’t be nice being Jewish in this country. Sad that it has got to this stage. The left wing could soon have their dreams come true.


Amanda has been at the centre of her local community for years, as a volunteer and a governor at her two children's school in a quiet London suburb. But over the past two years, she says simply going about her daily life has brought her abuse. She has been spat at in the street, branded a "baby killer", and received a death threat, she says, all because she is Jewish.

Until recently, Amanda, 47, always openly wore a Star of David pendant around her neck. The Jewish symbol is a proud part of her identity and she had never thought twice about displaying it. Now, she tells BBC Panorama, she is afraid it marks her out as a target.

"It's hard to be openly Jewish sometimes in everyday life," she says. "Living in the UK now for Jewish people is very uncomfortable."

In a WhatsApp group of about 20 of her Jewish friends - many of them children or grandchildren of refugees from the Nazis, who once saw the UK as a haven from antisemitism - she says conversations have shifted from neighbourhood chat to more existential questions.

"There aren't any Jewish people I know that haven't got plans to leave," says Amanda. "The first thing we all talk about is: What is the exit plan? Where are you going? What will you do? When will you be going? Or they're already moved or moving."



All hate crimes based on religion or ethnicity (no exceptions) are abhorrent... also indefensible - the majority in the UK are committed against Muslims ...

As you say, it's sad that it has got to this stage...
 
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All hate crimes based on religion or ethnicity (no exceptions) are abhorrent... also indefensible - the majority in the UK are committed against Muslims ...

As you say, it's sad that it has got to this stage...
The majority against Jews, particularly the worst/most serious, are committed by Muslims. Doesn’t mean it’s a huge % doing it because we’re talking a group comprising several million but that is the case. Politicians pretend it’s some general problem in society but it really isn’t even if a few crusty Corbynite Socialist Worker terminally online types do what they always have, they aren’t a serious danger. Starmer, Khan and others in a position to do something offer nothing but empty words and wait for the next thing to happen whether that’s something minor or a terror attack at a synagogue. It’s not going away, they can’t control what they’ve allowed to grow and can’t even call it out as they would if it was old school BNP types.

The ultra religious lot are a bit silly but just want to be left alone and get on with their lives. Now they’ve got people hassling them for TikTok views at best and attacked at worst in what were isolated but very safe communities. It’s done. It isn’t going to improve and probably isn’t going to remain as bad as it is.
 
Muslim - Im alarmed and distressed
Police - ok show me who to arrest for hate crime
 
The majority against Jews, particularly the worst/most serious, are committed by Muslims. Doesn’t mean it’s a huge % doing it because we’re talking a group comprising several million but that is the case. Politicians pretend it’s some general problem in society but it really isn’t even if a few crusty Corbynite Socialist Worker terminally online types do what they always have, they aren’t a serious danger. Starmer, Khan and others in a position to do something offer nothing but empty words and wait for the next thing to happen whether that’s something minor or a terror attack at a synagogue. It’s not going away, they can’t control what they’ve allowed to grow and can’t even call it out as they would if it was old school BNP types.

The ultra religious lot are a bit silly but just want to be left alone and get on with their lives. Now they’ve got people hassling them for TikTok views at best and attacked at worst in what were isolated but very safe communities. It’s done. It isn’t going to improve and probably isn’t going to remain as bad as it is.

Jews are going to have to leave the UK.

They cannot sit there while Uniparty UK allows
increasingly more frequent/violent acts against them,
merely to appease the current electoral "client groups" .
Nor would I want them to.

I hope future historians of the UK will write kindly
of the 400 odd yrs period they have been a part of
the population.
 
The thing is, even if they wanted to leave where would they go? Israel presumably is a no no and elsewhere in europe there will probably be the same issues as there are a big muslim presence where you only need a few bad eggs.

Best bet is some countryside village.
 
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The thing is, even if they wanted to leave where would they go? Israel presumably is a no no and elsewhere in europe there will probably be the same issues as there are a big muslim presence where you only need a few bad eggs.

Indeed.

SE Asia have kindred cultures to the UK.
I could envisage a Jewish demographic in
places such as HK, Singapore etc.


> Best bet is some countryside village.

1. I have been told Frumers have been leaving
Stamford Hill and going to places such as
Canvey island (which prompted two jokes from me) .

2. Tamara Finkelstein has entered the chat. < irony >
 
Jews shouldn't have to go anywhere, from what I see this is mainly a City problem ie London and it's so called multicultarism. The ones that should leave are the ones attacking them.

Dare I ask if Mr Khan is going round and visiting these synagogues and reassuring it's community, because that's what he should be doing.

Failing that I'll set up a dad's army, during the hours of darkness, so I can stab any bad intentioned people with my pitch fork...

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The thing is, even if they wanted to leave where would they go? Israel presumably is a no no and elsewhere in europe there will probably be the same issues as there are a big muslim presence where you only need a few bad eggs.

Best bet is some countryside village.
Sorry, I couldn't resist Bobby...

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Indeed.

SE Asia have kindred cultures to the UK.
I could envisage a Jewish demographic in
places such as HK, Singapore etc.


> Best bet is some countryside village.

1. I have been told Frumers have been leaving
Stamford Hill and going to places such as
Canvey island (which prompted two jokes from me) .

2. Tamara Finkelstein has entered the chat. < irony >
They moved to Canvey because it was unaffordable to pump out their standard eight kids living in modern day Stamford Hill rather than a safety concern.
 
Reforms Lee Anderson just been told to leave the House for standing up and calling Keir Starmer a liar. <laugh>

I guess he must have known he'd be booted out.

Ed Davey has called for the Prime Minister to resign.

I've listened to all the questions and answers, but I can't guage which way it will go. If he goes it will probably be more on his judgement than anything else.

Back benchers not happy and naturally Diane Abbot whatever party she is these days put her two penn'orth in... I think Keir is still pulling the knife out.
 
Reforms Lee Anderson just been told to leave the House for standing up and calling Keir Starmer a liar. <laugh>

I guess he must have known he'd be booted out.

Ed Davey has called for the Prime Minister to resign.

I've listened to all the questions and answers, but I can't guage which way it will go. If he goes it will probably be more on his judgement than anything else.

Back benchers not happy and naturally Diane Abbot whatever party she is these days put her two penn'orth in... I think Keir is still pulling the knife out.
Reality is that everyone in the Labour hierarchy thought that Mandelson was the best option for US Ambassador at the time of appointment, not least because of his long established 'acquaintance' with Donald Trump and the perception (or reality) that he could (had the potential to) significantly influence Trump's thoughts on UK issues and concerns ...

Lots of blind eyes got turned and 'edges smoothed' and Mandelson himself must have known there were further 'Epstein revelations' to come out ... but typical of the man, his ego was not to be reigned in easily and he likely thought he could ride any 'revelations wave' on a mix of having forgotten the chronology of emails etc with the passage of time and that he'd always believed in 'poor Jeffery's' innocence until it became obvious that the rumours weren't just rumours blah, blah...

Do I think Starmer knew all of that and ignored it? - no - not for me - he trusted various individuals to perform aspects of their jobs and they've let him down badly, possibly because they thought they were actually helping in getting Starmer's preferred candidate in the role ... and he was Starmer's preferred candidate, for sure ... just as he was everyone else's in Government.
 
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