Off Topic Hull City Centre Public Realm Strategy

[originallambrettaman]

We generally have someone on here who knows something about every topic, so I'm wondering if someone can tell me why we don't use the tidal barrier to stop the river being tidal and allowing a high water level to be maintained on the river?

It would make the waterfront property far more valuable if the river was permanently full of water and not a massive lump of mud for much of the day.

 

[Newlandcasual2]

We generally have someone on here who knows something about every topic, so I'm wondering if someone can tell me why we don't use the tidal barrier to stop the river being tidal and allowing a high water level to be maintained on the river?

It would make the waterfront property far more valuable if the river was permanently full of water and not a massive lump of mud for much of the day.

Because it will cause flooding further upstream, particulary as nearly all the floodplains have being built on is the short answer.

 

[balkan tiger]

Talking of the river hull, permission has been granted to dredge a bit of it allowing the Arctic Corsair to reach its new berth. The dredging will be complete in 6 to 12 months (but could be 18) So as the ship has been renovated and the berth is ready why did no one sort the permission to dredge ages ago? Just another example of the lack of joined up thinking?

 

[TwoWrights]

Talking of the river hull, permission has been granted to dredge a bit of it allowing the Arctic Corsair to reach its new berth. The dredging will be complete in 6 to 12 months (but could be 18) So as the ship has been renovated and the berth is ready why did no one sort the permission to dredge ages ago? Just another example of the lack of joined up thinking?

Saw that, the report is ambiguous,and could be read as once the mud is removed, and stored in another dry dock, that could be the time scale before it's removed and the other dock cleaned up.

 

[HHH]

Talking of the river hull, permission has been granted to dredge a bit of it allowing the Arctic Corsair to reach its new berth. The dredging will be complete in 6 to 12 months (but could be 18) So as the ship has been renovated and the berth is ready why did no one sort the permission to dredge ages ago? Just another example of the lack of joined up thinking?

Don't quote me but I think they first applied for the licence in 2023 but it hit some difficulty. Pollution of some sort perhaps.

I believe as part of the east bank development there will be wider dredging to pretty it up a bit.

 

[springtiger]

Is the history of hull film on You Tube ?

 

[Newlandcasual2]

Is the history of hull film on You Tube ?

Yes type in Mikes POV History Hull

 

[AlRawdah]

We generally have someone on here who knows something about every topic, so I'm wondering if someone can tell me why we don't use the tidal barrier to stop the river being tidal and allowing a high water level to be maintained on the river?

It would make the waterfront property far more valuable if the river was permanently full of water and not a massive lump of mud for much of the day.

You need to be posting your April Fools gear before midday.

 

[Heimdallr]

We generally have someone on here who knows something about every topic, so I'm wondering if someone can tell me why we don't use the tidal barrier to stop the river being tidal and allowing a high water level to be maintained on the river?

It would make the waterfront property far more valuable if the river was permanently full of water and not a massive lump of mud for much of the day.

I'd guess at flooding and sediment issues.

 

[Trumpton Tiger.]

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Angus should know all about failing businesses in Hull. He knows the problems of lack of footfall and lack of car parking first hand. Princes Quay was a mistake from Day One. Would Liverpool or Salford Quays build on the historic docks they have? But HCC, in their wisdom did, as they also stripped Wilberforce House of all the interesting stuff connected to the slave trade and handed it to Liverpool.
Princes Quay should have been kept as open water with access to the marina maintained and the shops and attractions should have been built around it. Like Albert Dock in Liverpool, but without the warehouses of course.
Another poor decision made by people who have never had to earn a pound for themselves in their lives.
Like moving the outdoor market from its traditional and historic place in front of Holy Trinity, which killed off Whitefriargate, then ruining the traditional indoor market by modernising it and turning it into a fast food outlet in a city centre full of fast food outlets.

 

[balkan tiger]

Angus should know all about failing businesses in Hull. He knows the problems of lack of footfall and lack of car parking first hand. Princes Quay was a mistake from Day One. Would Liverpool or Salford Quays build on the historic docks they have? But HCC, in their wisdom did, as they also stripped Wilberforce House of all the interesting stuff connected to the slave trade and handed it to Liverpool.
Princes Quay should have been kept as open water with access to the marina maintained and the shops and attractions should have been built around it. Like Albert Dock in Liverpool, but without the warehouses of course.
Another poor decision made by people who have never had to earn a pound for themselves in their lives.
Like moving the outdoor market from its traditional and historic place in front of Holy Trinity, which killed off Whitefriargate, then ruining the traditional indoor market by modernising it and turning it into a fast food outlet in a city centre full of fast food outlets.

The new back then castle street cut off the access for boats to Prinny dock, not really sure what else could have been done. A flyover? Raised roadway? But unless it was extremely high only relatively small boats could get in. Would be fantastic to have the Arctic Corsair and the spurn light ship in there.

 

[Trumpton Tiger.]

The new back then castle street cut off the access for boats to Prinny dock, not really sure what else could have been done. A flyover? Raised roadway? But unless it was extremely high only relatively small boats could get in. Would be fantastic to have the Arctic Corsair and the spurn light ship in there.

The first mistake was probably made years ago when huge parts of the old town, and some amazing old warehouses were demolished for Castle Street to be widened. The whole road should have been on stilts from day one which would have made the recent £350m worth of 'improvements' unnecessary.

 

[TwoWrights]

The first mistake was probably made years ago when huge parts of the old town, and some amazing old warehouses were demolished for Castle Street to be widened. The whole road should have been on stilts from day one which would have made the recent £135m? worth of 'improvements' unnecessary.

I'm of the opinion Castle Street on stilts would have been an awful solution, ugly as hell.

 

[TIGERSCAVE]

I drive through it yesterday for the first time and my immediate thought was 6 years!!!!@!@ £350 million!!@!@!@ **** off

 

[originallambrettaman]

Because it will cause flooding further upstream, particulary as nearly all the floodplains have being built on is the short answer.

The barrier would only need to be down at low tide though, it could be raised at high tide.

 

[DMD]

The barrier would only need to be down at low tide though, it could be raised at high tide.

That, or something similar has been looked at many, many times over the years, and there are a whole bundle of reasons why it is impractical. One of the ports in the north east managed something along the lines of what you are suggesting, but there are some notable differences in the flows and logistics.

One main issue is that it would require a specific Act of Parliament, as it is unlawful to impede the flow of river traffic without key specific aspects being met, and as someone pointed out, it's not a lock. It would also result in excessive silting, and cause flooding in what is a very wide River Hull valley.

They have enough trouble shifting the water heading towards Hull from the land as it is, blocking that would increase those problems by orders of magnitude.

 

[Trumpton Tiger.]

I'm of the opinion Castle Street on stilts would have been an awful solution, ugly as hell.

Maybe so but it wouldn't have cut the riverfront off like Castle Street did ( before the new footbridge) and there would still be a flow of water from the marina to Princes Dock. Not that it matters now. It's too late.

 

[balkan tiger]

Anyone know why on Bude road (border between bransholme and Sutton Park) almost every lamppost and street sign has a full carrier bag or bin liner presumably of rubbish.

Do they not have bins, and who the **** do they think is going to collect it.

 

[Edelman]

Anyone know why on Bude road (border between bransholme and Sutton Park) almost every lamppost and street sign has a full carrier bag or bin liner presumably of rubbish.

Do they not have bins, and who the **** do they think is going to collect it.

Get the Japan fans in

 

[TwoWrights]

Anyone know why on Bude road (border between bransholme and Sutton Park) almost every lamppost and street sign has a full carrier bag or bin liner presumably of rubbish.

Do they not have bins, and who the **** do they think is going to collect it.

Sometimes the council clear the litter/rubbish like this, then a van collects it later.