Chat GPT and other AI bots

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bradymk2 said:
I believe that will cause a big lack of critical thinking skills
Amongst other stuff

Theres some very interesting studies on it
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It's already doing it. My daughter's just finishing a Masters, she tells me several of her fellow students openly admit to using software tools to turn out their essays. Her course is 50% Asian students whose English isn't isn't really up to scratch, they do the same and they record lectures and put them through a translator. Have to wonder how this will develop because it isn't going away.
 
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PLT said:
You see that on here sometimes. People posting that they asked ChatGPT about the intricacies of the EFL appeal process. If it's not publicly available then clearly an LLM isn't going to be able to tell you anything useful. But I guess some people think it just somehow knows everything.
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LLM's can only tell you something useful if a lot of people have already said something useful (and reliable). All an LLM does is trawl what's available and try to come up with an answer. In anything football related that will include a lot of people who post nonsense either for monetised clicks or because they are fantasists.
 
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jhe10 said:
LLM's can only tell you something useful if a lot of people have already said something useful (and reliable). All an LLM does is trawl what's available and try to come up with an answer. In anything football related that will include a lot of people who post nonsense either for monetised clicks or because they are fantasists.
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I've noticed that often when they don't know something they fill in the gaps with the most generic waffle, which can really miss the point of what it's been asked. Not sure why they aren't better at just saying when they don't know something!
 
I know a guy working in this area who is very passionate about the power of this area, and recommends using ChatGPT to teach yourself how to program and make your own tools and apps. He says one thing LLMs are very very good at is programming. He’s got a degree in Classics but has written some very complex programs by directing LLMs to do the work. We’re vastly underusing the power of them even as they stand - try asking your favourite chat bot if it can teach you how to program or to automate a process.
 
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A whole lot of programmers are going to be out of work that's for sure , some of them are
actively helping the thing that is going to take their job away
 
I think it's dramatically exaggerated the extent to which LLMs can write useful software.

They know the syntax, they can write coherent lines. But creating software requires much more thinking than that. Good software developers are mindful of a lot of things beyond just writing a line of code that compiles. It's hard to describe the job to someone who doesn't do it, but I would say that 90% of the time the challenge isn't thinking of the code to write, it's more thinking of the right way to approach the problem, understanding exactly what you're telling the computer to do and what side effects it might have, making sure that what you're writing isn't going to be a pain for the next person to work on, and so on.

AIs are heavily used by software developers for simple, menial or repetitive tasks but the idea of an AI operated by a non-developer replacing software developers altogether is fantasy stuff.
 
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PLT said:
I think it's dramatically exaggerated the extent to which LLMs can write useful software.

They know the syntax, they can write coherent lines. But creating software requires much more thinking than that. Good software developers are mindful of a lot of things beyond just writing a line of code that compiles. It's hard to describe the job to someone who doesn't do it, but I would say that 90% of the time the challenge isn't thinking of the code to write, it's more thinking of the right way to approach the problem, understanding exactly what you're telling the computer to do and what side effects it might have, making sure that what you're writing isn't going to be a pain for the next person to work on, and so on.

AIs are heavily used by software developers for simple, menial or repetitive tasks but the idea of an AI operated by a non-developer replacing software developers altogether is fantasy stuff.
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Yep
And its all well and good trying to get an llm to make an app
But if you dont understand the underlying code and its functions
You cant fix it or diagnose anything

And more importantly
You have no idea of any security flaws within it

Some small changes in one line can break something else


Its great for helping a developer with a specific thing and automating menial tasks
But you need to have a fundamental understanding

Bit like building a house without any plumbing or electrical experience
And not using any cement on the bricks etc

what will happen though is it will be much harder to get a role as a junior dev and/or lower salaries
which will save money in the short term
but when all the senior devs start retiring, therell be a sudden gap which will then cost even more money to fix
but short termism is the way these days
 
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PLT said:
I think it's dramatically exaggerated the extent to which LLMs can write useful software.

They know the syntax, they can write coherent lines. But creating software requires much more thinking than that. Good software developers are mindful of a lot of things beyond just writing a line of code that compiles. It's hard to describe the job to someone who doesn't do it, but I would say that 90% of the time the challenge isn't thinking of the code to write, it's more thinking of the right way to approach the problem, understanding exactly what you're telling the computer to do and what side effects it might have, making sure that what you're writing isn't going to be a pain for the next person to work on, and so on.

AIs are heavily used by software developers for simple, menial or repetitive tasks but the idea of an AI operated by a non-developer replacing software developers altogether is fantasy stuff.
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Largely agree. Software writing tools, code generators, have been around ages. I first came across them in the mid-80's and whilst they were fun to play with they weren't really capable of producing a finished, fit-for-purpose product. Useful for prototyping and as a design aid though.
 
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brownbagtiger said:
I know a guy working in this area who is very passionate about the power of this area, and recommends using ChatGPT to teach yourself how to program and make your own tools and apps. He says one thing LLMs are very very good at is programming. He’s got a degree in Classics but has written some very complex programs by directing LLMs to do the work. We’re vastly underusing the power of them even as they stand - try asking your favourite chat bot if it can teach you how to program or to automate a process.
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I work in software dev and it's crap. It makes things up, promises that things can be done in certain ways, that simply can't and have never existed. Like anything, it's a useful aid / tool for when you know what you are doing, using it without any knowledge of programming is bound to fail.
 
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