Nah what I was saying was your fans that go to games and actually see stuff with their own eyes are actually quite sound and gracious. The ones who are armchair fans online come across as ****ing know all’’s who get their information from ITK’s.
See this is the bit I’m confused with. Howe’s done zero wrong and if anything has been praised by everybody other than this thread for the way in which he’s handled the whole thing.
Praised by "everybody" Ok then. See, he's the one briefing the press and pushing the player. He's the one who is the only one left in Newcastle to deal with the player before this broke out. You left on tour and according to your club knew isak was already faking it. (Acting poorly comment) So what else did you know about isak and his little decisions despite his contract? We will all defend someone at our club far too much. We have all done it. Both howe and isal are damaged by it.
Isak was the one who informed club his head wasn’t focussed. Isak felt let down because the previous sporting director reneged on a previous agreement to open negotiations. This stuff came out at end of last season and Mitchell was sent packing with the “mutual consent” line. CEO has left due to cancer and both his replacement and new sporting director will be in place in next few weeks. (Work visa for CEO). it’s a **** show and Howe shouldn’t have had to deal with this solo so far. Going to guess the fines will start raining down on Isak as of this week as per PFA rules and guidance on missing games. Also very very much doubt Isak will be allowed to leave if we did sign Wissa as that’s Callum Wilson’s replacement but we’ll see.
Very interesting conversation. I'm just wondering when we did this? "problem here is your club have gone agreeing contracts with players without permission from the owning clubs (NUFC and Palace) or agreeing fees" News to me.
They should have got a deal agreed with isak but appear to be on the just not for sale with no new deal approach which is disasterous in isak's mind. I thought we had enquired and then took your no and went and got Ekitike who we were supposed to be after in may. That made sense. Something triggered us to go back. I dont know what it was, But it seems to me thst offer was our idea of best price so it should be over. That leaves isak and Newcastle needing to some to a solution of some sort because I agree you certainly cannot be looking for wisda as the main line option. However this seems to only be able to end one of 3 ways. Isak comes crawling. You do a deal where you pay him more and gove some release and sell it as victory. You sell him late on and try and replace.
There's not a club in Europe who dont know the players attitude to the move including the contract before bidding. The contract details are usually simple after the fee is agreed. The hilarity of this is on deadline day newcastle are likely to do exactly what's written above on any and every player being bought. I always find this stuff aboit transfers very amusing as all rules go.out the window on deadline day. Medicals? No time. We took 2 days on wirtz medial. Contracts? Oh you can't talk before permission. Every player says yes or no before fees are agreed on deadline day or you'd have no time. What's been an issue in the past is players like.vvd or Cole.meeting other managers. Yet here we have wirtz opening talking about hearing from kompany and slot and others and picking the one he was most impressed by and leverkusen didn't bat an eyelid. What's expected is players play and put their best in when they play. That's what isak is doing wrong here. We all know he wasn't injured and didn't go on tour. However now howe has.pushed him.out of thr squad so is he on strike or can't play? It seems from the outside he is refusing to play anyway, but wouldn't be ready just now. Let's see on September 2 what he says cos his refusals might vanish until descembwr 31.
2 days on a medical is nowt. Our lot take 4 days just on social media before there’s an official announcement. Ramsay had his medical Wednesday night and was pictured at the ground doing photo shoots yesterday morning yet still no official announcement
We've had this conversation before and we've all said more or less the same thing. Every player is 'tapped up' probably via the agents to see if the player is open to the move. A 'yes' or a 'maybe' gives the club the green light to ask the selling club for permission to talk to the player. And it goes from there. I thought that was universally accepted. I wasn't particularly in favour of us signing Isak from the outset but there came a point in the saga when I thought a nice lad is being manipulated by a not nice agent. It's Newcastle's problem not ours.
Shearer on bbc just now bemoaning PSR and how Villa and Newcastle couldn’t spend as much as the top four have. He should educate himself and look at what we spent last year and how much we got for players sold. I am sure he would love PIF to be given free range to spend countless billions but the whole thing is getting ruined by oil states, sport washing and the like
Spoken like a true geordie wanting to buy the league and to hell with clubs the cant compete. The rules are not there for Newcastle thry are there to slow up people like the owners of derby for example thst nearly ruined them or 777 who bankrupted clubs. Its not about stopped a rich owner buying a league par se. Its about a fan knowing his club might be around in 20 years time.
Whereas an argument could be made that the sport is being bastardised by American investment groups simply interested in making the league non competitive and only in it for the long term money
That is a fair point. FSG are an international sport investment company. They are a business and football is big business. The attempt at a breakaway super league a while ago shows the real intent, it is not too bothered about what fans really want. That said, if the rules were adhered to properly and we did not have the likes of City cheating and buying the legal muscle to avoid paying the penalty or Chelsea cheating and selling their ladies team and other scams, we would have some chance of a reasonable approach. My concern is the powerful clubs want a super league which we don’t want
It's actually worse. They dont care about anything but more assets and more leveraged debt to build.empires Everton were very close to being sold.into a house of cards that was collapsing so the ownership rules in England are a disgrace. Again if psr is for anything its to stop those types and the likes of gilet and hicks getting their hands on anyone's clubs but it doesn't as its not backed by bands on multi club ownership and proper ownership scrutiny.
I know of very very few fans thst want super leagues and none personally (there.must be some tv types on scoring media but I dont know them)
It wasn’t necessarily a dig at Liverpool but when you look at Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, yourselves as well…. There’s been too many rule changes since US owners in general came into the game in my view. I get you hate the idea of being outspent by the likes of city, Chelsea ourselves if the rules were different but that’s the way the game has always been historically. Owners with money built big clubs and success. You did it yourselves back in the day. You’d won **** all by the 50’s and the game had been going 70 years strong by that point. So let’s not pretend you started winning things through local natural talent lads. You’re not the Lisbon lions.
