Off Topic Lord Mayor

[Steven Toast]

I think the issue is that you and a couple of others on here are just so far out of touch with what a groundswell of the general public believe and feel.

Of course Brexit hasn't been delivered in the way most of the people voting for it wanted, nor the way it could have been. Of course illegal immigration could be halted (or, to be technically correct, at least kept to minimal levels, there will always be a trickle obviously); not that the focus should be kept putting back near enough soley on this one topic, as important and scandalous as it is.

The support for Reform (real change) is no longer a small minority that the lazy stereotypical insults of denial and dismissal can be thrown at. It's across ages, sexes, intellect, class, backgrounds, and it's for FAR more reason than just the lazily trotted out lines previously used.

That groundswell is rapidly increasing and hopefully continues until the rotten 2 party politics and the 'establishment' of recent decades is replaced and overhauled. What I suspect we'll now see is Starmer and Badenoch (or whoever replaces her) shift their positions and 'principles' in a bid to simply survive. That might not be a bad thing if it changes things in this country toward what Reform (read 'growing swathes of the general public') want to see happen, but it isn't really the right answer as, like with Brexit, with many of them like Starmer it's not what they really want.

This week could well prove to be a turning point for Reform, and a tipping point in politics generally, as the public see that Reform have moved from being what some saw as a pesky nuisance to being a proper, serious alternative that can actually replace what we've suffered. As the saying goes, you need to 'wake up and smell the coffee' of why there's this groundswell of support. Don't just dismiss it, but understand it and accept it's for real; hopefully it now becomes a tidal wave.

I literally speak to some of the poorest people in the city on a daily basis. I teach their children. Hell, in some cases I feed their children. To say I'm out of touch is a bit much, to be frank.

I know why there's support for Reform, it's the same reason Trump won again. Everybody always wants change, that's why populism works out so well. What people don't tend to do, Brexit included, is source the reasons for the problems from actual, reliable places and instead allow themselves to be bought in by the emotional, heartstring tugging promises because they match the grievances they have.

Whether Brexit was what people wanted or not is irrelevant, it wasn't what they said was going to happen. The same people behind Brexit are literally the Reform party minus Steve Bannon and I've yet to see any actual evidence that there won't be a repeat performance, so forgive me for thinking that they're just on the con again.

It's us who suffer these incompetencies, we pay the price and while Labour are borking it big time, I don't see any way that Nigel Farage, an investment banker, is going to do anything to uplift the people I see everyday out of poverty.

 

[Steven Toast]

Indoctrinating children is abuse - they should be given balanced educations so they can decide for themselves - maybe you think they should only be told only a blinkered biased narrative - I don't

I teach 4 year olds you twonk. Teachers aren't allowed to air their political alignments or give influence one way or the other, it's against teacher standards and people would lose their jobs en masse if it was happening on the scale people assume it is.

 

[bradymk2]

I literally speak to some of the poorest people in the city on a daily basis. I teach their children. Hell, in some cases I feed their children. To say I'm out of touch is a bit much, to be frank.

I know why there's support for Reform, it's the same reason Trump won again. Everybody always wants change, that's why populism works out so well. What people don't tend to do, Brexit included, is source the reasons for the problems from actual, reliable places and instead allow themselves to be bought in by the emotional, heartstring tugging promises because they match the grievances they have.

Whether Brexit was what people wanted or not is irrelevant, it wasn't what they said was going to happen. The same people behind Brexit are literally the Reform party minus Steve Bannon and I've yet to see any actual evidence that there won't be a repeat performance, so forgive me for thinking that they're just on the con again.

It's us who suffer these incompetencies, we pay the price and while Labour are borking it big time, I don't see any way that Nigel Farage, an investment banker, is going to do anything to uplift the people I see everyday out of poverty.

Its populism
Thats the whole problem

Its what pulls on peoples emotions and its far easier to digest in bitesize segments

Than is it to actually discuss complex subjects

Im not sure it will ever change in that sense which is a shame

Humans are very emotional and irrational creatures

 

[Kevin Francis]

I teach 4 year olds you twonk. Teachers aren't allowed to air their political alignments or give influence one way or the other, it's against teacher standards and people would lose their jobs en masse if it was happening on the scale people assume it is.

There’s certainly a left wing slant in our education system. That’s because most university educated people are left leaning and you can’t be a teacher without a degree I don’t believe. There’s certainly no indoctrination going on though.
As for Luke Campbell and reform? Well anyone with a brain cell should be suitably embarrassed if they voted for the frauds. Im embarrassed for my city and I’ve lived away for 11 years.

 

[Newlandcasual2]

Make voting easier, we trust banks with our money online and everyother area of our life, why not electronic voting?

The abuse of postal voting is bad enough, this would take it to a whole other level, i think some sort of PR would be a step in the right direction then if people can't be bothered to vote, it's on them who ever ends up in power.

 

[Charon]

I teach 4 year olds you twonk. Teachers aren't allowed to air their political alignments or give influence one way or the other, it's against teacher standards and people would lose their jobs en masse if it was happening on the scale people assume it is.

Yawn - I wasn't even talking about you - I was talking about education in general

 

[Ron Burguvdy]

The abuse of postal voting is bad enough, this would take it to a whole other level, i think some sort of PR would be a step in the right direction then if people can't be bothered to vote, it's on them who ever ends up in power.

What actual 'evidence' of postal voting fraud have you got?

https://pa.media/blogs/election-fac...le-evidence-of-postal-vote-fraud-in-the-uk-2/

 

[Ernie Shackleton]

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[Gone For A Walk]

I literally speak to some of the poorest people in the city on a daily basis. I teach their children. Hell, in some cases I feed their children. To say I'm out of touch is a bit much, to be frank.

I know why there's support for Reform, it's the same reason Trump won again. Everybody always wants change, that's why populism works out so well. What people don't tend to do, Brexit included, is source the reasons for the problems from actual, reliable places and instead allow themselves to be bought in by the emotional, heartstring tugging promises because they match the grievances they have.

Whether Brexit was what people wanted or not is irrelevant, it wasn't what they said was going to happen. The same people behind Brexit are literally the Reform party minus Steve Bannon and I've yet to see any actual evidence that there won't be a repeat performance, so forgive me for thinking that they're just on the con again.

It's us who suffer these incompetencies, we pay the price and while Labour are borking it big time, I don't see any way that Nigel Farage, an investment banker, is going to do anything to uplift the people I see everyday out of poverty.

No, sorry, you just don't get it. You really don't.

 

[Howdentiger2]

It's like you channelled every angry uncle on Facebook I ever encountered and just let the righteous screeching of TalkRadio flow through you.

Half of those problems are invented, the others are just not issues.

As for the "indoctrination" side of your point, it might interest you to know that 3 and 4 year olds don't really find an interest in politics, they tend to enjoy painting, playing outside and doing phonics. So apologies if you're frequently bumping into opinionated 4 year olds but that's not on me chuck.

I will say I do teach in one of the most underprivileged areas of Hull and most of the things you said really aren't what parents are complaining about.

Genuine question, what is it parents in those areas are concerned with/complaining about?

 

[originallambrettaman]

It was decent thread up until the last couple of pages (so thanks for that) and it’s almost game time, so time to call it a day.