Off Topic Lord Mayor

[amberman8]

They did. But they were quite clear about what that actually meant, and it was actual real policies.

Is this one of those fake threads I'm not getting again?

 

[DMD]

Seems pertinent.

Why We See What We Want to See
The neuropsychology of motivated perception.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/...an Behavior,report seeing what we wish to see).

 

[dennisboothstash]

A glimpse of common ground?
So what IS the answer iyo?

Proportional representation.

The reason so many are disaffected is because, in GE anyway, their vote doesn’t count. I’ve not been able to vote for my preferred party for decades because they would have no chance of getting in.

If everyone knew their vote counted that would surely help

 

[Heimdallr]

Proportional representation.

The reason so many are disaffected is because, in GE anyway, their vote doesn’t count. I’ve not been able to vote for my preferred party for decades because they would have no chance of getting in.

If everyone knew their vote counted that would surely help

Does it? I don't know the answer, but France has PR and their turn outs are lower than the UK. I think trust in politicians and believing that the politicians can make a change, rather than same old same old, makes a difference in turn out. I'm for PR, but not sure if it will help voters feel more engaged.

 

[Gone For A Walk]

Proportional representation.

The reason so many are disaffected is because, in GE anyway, their vote doesn’t count. I’ve not been able to vote for my preferred party for decades because they would have no chance of getting in.

If everyone knew their vote counted that would surely help

Probably.
Under which Reform would now have close to 100 seats in the HoC. And that's from a near standing start.

 

[NewcastleTiger]

A glimpse of common ground?
So what IS the answer iyo?

Need to get a grip of domestic infrastructure being owned by foreign equity funds. £40bn taken out in dividends from one of the water companies isnt it? Whilst sewage seeps into the system.

Wealth tax to stop those buying up assets and stripping the middle class and making it harder for people at the bottom who do work their arses off to have a way out.

Of course immigration is an issue that needs to be addressed in its own way too. On all fronts, was having a read of an ONS report yesterday, it was really interesting actually the breakdown of it all.

 

[Drew]

oh dear, did the bad man win - whether you can cope with it or not we've moved on from the politics of the seventies and the 'up the workers' nonsense - we we're the fastest growing economy in the G7 until Two Tier Tool took over and ****ed it up - we had interest rates back at 2% until Two Tier Tool ****ed it up, we had started to sort out immigration and had a deterrent until Two Tier Tool ****ed it up - so rather than complain about the bad man look at the present incumbents and why they are so unpopular - total lack of experience at managing business / the economy, non stop lies about smashing gangs, £22 billion non existent black holes, then giving public sector above inflation pay rises, - don't know what a woman is and failure to protect women, attacks on pensioners and the disabled, accepting gifts / bribes / concert tickets / executive boxes, the list goes on and on - spunking taxpayers money on airmiles, promising £300 reductions on energy bills, they've actually gone up - incomprehensible policy on net zero, one minute we don't need fossil fuels, then we do, then they don't want to rely on imported fossil fuels then they refuse to give licences in the north sea so we have to import them - then they promise change and start claiming we want it faster - but all the change they've done so far has made everything a lot worse and finally all this crap about fully funded, fully costed - that's the biggest lie of all - and then you wonder why people have had enough and look for something better - the sad bit is people with your views have infiltrated the teaching profession and are abusing kids and indoctrinating them with left wing **** and producing a generation of imbeciles who even think terrorists are the good guys in the middle east and the victims are the bad guys - yes, people have had enough and that's exactly why Two Tier Tool was given a bloody nose

Exactly what’s wrong with politics in this country.

People may have the right policies in their head but they become insufferable when it turns into stupid nicknames and parroted slogans.

I hate tribal party politics from all spheres. (Yes, including parties I have voted for). It’s pointless and stops real progress.

 

[dennisboothstash]

Does it? I don't know the answer, but France has PR and their turn outs are lower than the UK. I think trust in politicians and believing that the politicians can make a change, rather than same old same old, makes a difference in turn out. I'm for PR, but not sure if it will help voters feel more engaged.

I could be wrong
Maybe it would just engage me
Mind you I’d also make it mandatory which I do t think you should do with PR

 

[dennisboothstash]

Probably.
Under which Reform would now have close to 100 seats in the HoC. And that's from a near standing start.

Assuming people voted the same way, but if they did yes.
I’d also make it mandatory to vote too.

 

[balkan tiger]

Be careful of too much opposition, it's what happened in some east European countries after the iron curtain fell. In simplistic terms 5 opposition parties get 10% each and one usually the nationalist or former commie gets 50% ending up with a democratic dictatorship and nothing changing.
At least with the two party system and fixed terms there is a chance to change. Can a new party grow enough to challenge the big two or will we end up with a fractured opposition leaving one party in power unopposed.

 

[Gone For A Walk]

Need to get a grip of domestic infrastructure being owned by foreign equity funds. £40bn taken out in dividends from one of the water companies isnt it? Whilst sewage seeps into the system.

Wealth tax to stop those buying up assets and stripping the middle class and making it harder for people at the bottom who do work their arses off to have a way out.

Of course immigration is an issue that needs to be addressed in its own way too. On all fronts, was having a read of an ONS report yesterday, it was really interesting actually the breakdown of it all.

Agreed.
But ..... that doesn't answer the question ........ "The 2 party system definitely needs interrupting. Rebranded tories certainly aren’t the answer (not directed at you chazz)" ...... "A glimpse of common ground? So what IS the answer iyo?"

 

[Ron Burguvdy]

Make voting easier, we trust banks with our money online and everyother area of our life, why not electronic voting?
Also on the voting slip in person / postal / electric - the final option would be None of The Above (vote NOTA)
Mandatory would involve 'policing' those that did not, why, legal challenges and more money potentially wasted

 

[NewcastleTiger]

Agreed.
But ..... that doesn't answer the question ........ "The 2 party system definitely needs interrupting. Rebranded tories certainly aren’t the answer (not directed at you chazz)" ...... "A glimpse of common ground? So what IS the answer iyo?"

It sounds daft when you imagine the current MPs getting them but we also need to make cabinet positions top of the industry jobs. Things people are working towards to aspire to become. MPs in my lifetime have almost used their roles to further their prospects outside of politics.

 

[bradymk2]

It sounds daft when you imagine the current MPs getting them but we also need to make cabinet positions top of the industry jobs. Things people are working towards to aspire to become. MPs in my lifetime have almost used their roles to further their prospects outside of politics.

I saw a big study about it
And essentially mps need to be paid more and then they can have no external income etc

Problem is
Public wouldnt accept it

 

[Ric Glasgow]

Some of them do have experience of that. Some of which are in our current government. It's not true that all politicians are Etonian rich boys.

Oh yes,sorry.

How remiss of me not to mention the odd 'Tit' amongst them,busy feathering their own nest

 

[PLT]

Oh yes,sorry.

How remiss of me not to mention the odd 'Tit' amongst them,busy feathering their own nest

I think it is remiss. The "they're all the same" narrative makes it easier for bad politicians to get elected by downplaying the difference between the good and bad ones. There are good ones and we should give them credit and elect them.

 

[Kalman II]

Exactly what’s wrong with politics in this country.

People may have the right policies in their head but they become insufferable when it turns into stupid nicknames and parroted slogans.

I hate tribal party politics from all spheres. (Yes, including parties I have voted for). It’s pointless and stops real progress.

The comment about ST ‘abusing’ children as a teacher because he’s left-wing was just repugnant and it was a half-decent thread up to that point.

 

[Steven Toast]

oh dear, did the bad man win - whether you can cope with it or not we've moved on from the politics of the seventies and the 'up the workers' nonsense - we we're the fastest growing economy in the G7 until Two Tier Tool took over and ****ed it up - we had interest rates back at 2% until Two Tier Tool ****ed it up, we had started to sort out immigration and had a deterrent until Two Tier Tool ****ed it up - so rather than complain about the bad man look at the present incumbents and why they are so unpopular - total lack of experience at managing business / the economy, non stop lies about smashing gangs, £22 billion non existent black holes, then giving public sector above inflation pay rises, - don't know what a woman is and failure to protect women, attacks on pensioners and the disabled, accepting gifts / bribes / concert tickets / executive boxes, the list goes on and on - spunking taxpayers money on airmiles, promising £300 reductions on energy bills, they've actually gone up - incomprehensible policy on net zero, one minute we don't need fossil fuels, then we do, then they don't want to rely on imported fossil fuels then they refuse to give licences in the north sea so we have to import them - then they promise change and start claiming we want it faster - but all the change they've done so far has made everything a lot worse and finally all this crap about fully funded, fully costed - that's the biggest lie of all - and then you wonder why people have had enough and look for something better - the sad bit is people with your views have infiltrated the teaching profession and are abusing kids and indoctrinating them with left wing **** and producing a generation of imbeciles who even think terrorists are the good guys in the middle east and the victims are the bad guys - yes, people have had enough and that's exactly why Two Tier Tool was given a bloody nose

It's like you channelled every angry uncle on Facebook I ever encountered and just let the righteous screeching of TalkRadio flow through you.

Half of those problems are invented, the others are just not issues.

As for the "indoctrination" side of your point, it might interest you to know that 3 and 4 year olds don't really find an interest in politics, they tend to enjoy painting, playing outside and doing phonics. So apologies if you're frequently bumping into opinionated 4 year olds but that's not on me chuck.

I will say I do teach in one of the most underprivileged areas of Hull and most of the things you said really aren't what parents are complaining about.

 

[Charon]

The comment about ST ‘abusing’ children as a teacher because he’s left-wing was just repugnant and it was a half-decent thread up to that point.

Indoctrinating children is abuse - they should be given balanced educations so they can decide for themselves - maybe you think they should only be told only a blinkered biased narrative - I don't

 

[bradymk2]

Indoctrinating children is abuse - they should be given balanced educations so they can decide for themselves - maybe you think they should only be told only a blinkered biased narrative - I don't

How would you know whats taught?

Apart from what a daily mail article says

Do you know whats on the curriculum?