Off Topic WW3 How Close?

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American analyst on newsnight saying Europe hasn't been pulling its weight for decades re defence contributions. Shocking. We've ended up in a mess as we didn't predict what would happen if Trump gained power.
 
I voted for brexit, I don’t know what a gammon is, I’m definitely not xenophobic (or at least my interpretation of it) and not racist although I do believe everyone has the ability to be or prejudiced in certain situations.
Any how I voted because I thought we’d be better off financially making our own deals globally, Covid then the Russian invasion blew any chance of that out of the water. But what I do think is that MP’s are paid to make educated decisions and the public should never have been given a vote on something as important as that.
 
I voted for brexit, I don’t know what a gammon is, I’m definitely not xenophobic (or at least my interpretation of it) and not racist although I do believe everyone has the ability to be or prejudiced in certain situations.
Any how I voted because I thought we’d be better off financially making our own deals globally, Covid then the Russian invasion blew any chance of that out of the water. But what I do think is that MP’s are paid to make educated decisions and the public should never have been given a vote on something as important as that.

That’s a very good point mate.

I didn’t have a clue about what Brexit would mean because of the mass of information that was thrown at us, much of it misinformation, lies and pure speculation. The fact that people are still arguing about what it was supposed to mean proves that point.

On this thread, for example, someone is claiming the majority of people voted leave purely to have a pop at Westminster. I've heard all kinds of reasons, none of which make sense to me, but that poster may be right. What is crazy, to me though, is that people who voted leave are still incredibly proud of something that's so clearly failed.

It always looked like Brexit was a vote 'to go back to the good old days' where we'd be trading with the Commonwealth, return to Imperial measures and keep the foreigners out ...

... sadly it's only Britain, particularly the elderly, who sees any sense in this kind of nostalgia.

We've selfishly made things much worse for our children and grandchildren but some simply don't care.
 
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I've had many conversation with people who voted to leave Europe. Not one person has given me ONE example of how their life is better financially or another other metrics.... massive mistake
The issue for me was the blatant lies that were told to the public - The same **** is happening now with Farage and his cronies and a lot of people are falling for it hook line and sinker.
 
But what I do think is that MP’s are paid to make educated decisions and the public should never have been given a vote on something as important as that.

The majority of MPs over the last 20 years I wouldnt trust to take my bins out. The majority couldnt give a toss about anyone but themselves and lining their own pockets.
 
I voted for brexit, I don’t know what a gammon is, I’m definitely not xenophobic (or at least my interpretation of it) and not racist although I do believe everyone has the ability to be or prejudiced in certain situations.
Any how I voted because I thought we’d be better off financially making our own deals globally, Covid then the Russian invasion blew any chance of that out of the water. But what I do think is that MP’s are paid to make educated decisions and the public should never have been given a vote on something as important as that.
Gammon slur is the name given to white people of a certain age, usually remarked by people who are immature,blinkered and unable to hold a conversation without resorting to insults
 
That’s a very good point mate.

I didn’t have a clue about what Brexit would mean because of the mass of information that was thrown at us, much of it misinformation, lies and pure speculation. The fact that people are still arguing about what it was supposed to mean proves that point.

On this thread, for example, someone is claiming the majority of people voted leave purely to have a pop at Westminster. I've heard all kinds of reasons, none of which make sense to me, but that poster may be right. What is crazy, to me though, is that people who voted leave are still incredibly proud of something that's so clearly failed.

It always looked like Brexit was a vote 'to go back to the good old days' where we'd be trading with the Commonwealth, go back to Imperial measures and keep the foreigners out ...

... sadly it's only Britain, particularly the elderly, who sees any sense in this kind of nostalgia.

We've selfishly made things much worse for our children and grandchildren but some simply don't care.
I thought it would be a large minority vote, enough to make them take notice and try to change but it wasn’t. Rejoining/new alliances, I’m not clever enough to know what the answer is but I know it needs to change for us and in particular our children/grandchildren.