Off Topic Hull City Centre Public Realm Strategy

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it will be a real shame , lots go onto it and view the river from there , we always do. Or did til it closed after part repair . I am sure some DEI money could be found somewhere to repair it instead of wasting it .

I'm not sure you'd be able to walk on it even if it was repaired, it's got the new flood defence wall in front of it now.
 
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I'm not sure you'd be able to walk on it even if it was repaired, it's got the new flood defence wall in front of it now.
The wall has two gates in it to allow access to the pier, they should have tried harder to save the pier. :emoticon-0138-think


The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.
 
The wall has two gates in it to allow access to the pier, they should have tried harder to save the pier. :emoticon-0138-think


The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.

It does, watertight doors, which if it's reopened to the public would require someone to open and close them. So in addition to millions in restoration costs, you've got the ongoing costs of paying someone to open and close the gates. I'd prefer to see the pier stay, but I can see why it's not all that viable.
 
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It does, watertight doors, which if it's reopened to the public would require someone to open and close them. So in addition to millions in restoration costs, you've got the ongoing costs of paying someone to open and close the gates. I'd prefer to see the pier stay, but I can see why it's not all that viable.
What a shame. I bet dismantling it won’t’ be cheap?
I’m not sure the gate open and shutter is a big issue? There’ll be plenty of Council workers based around there. Can’t they just add to their roles and responsibilities? How often do they actually have to close them?
Doesn’t Hornsea have similar gates, which are close to several Council buildings? I can’t believe the caretaker of these isn’t in charge of closing the gates.
 
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What a shame. I bet dismantling it won’t’ be cheap?
I’m not sure the gate open and shutter is a big issue? There’ll be plenty of Council workers based around there. Can’t they just add to their roles and responsibilities? How often do they actually have to close them?
Doesn’t Hornsea have similar gates, which are close to several Council buildings? I can’t believe the caretaker of these isn’t in charge of closing the gates.
I think this is an open and shut case?
 
What a shame. I bet dismantling it won’t’ be cheap?
I’m not sure the gate open and shutter is a big issue? There’ll be plenty of Council workers based around there. Can’t they just add to their roles and responsibilities? How often do they actually have to close them?
Doesn’t Hornsea have similar gates, which are close to several Council buildings? I can’t believe the caretaker of these isn’t in charge of closing the gates.
Ok, slightly off the wall suggestion. If it isn't viable to repair it or use it in any way, and if it isn't a danger to the public, shipping or the environment why not just let it rot? Things don't have to last forever, neither do they have to be cleared out of sight. Having a slowly deteriorating pier at least says something about Hull's history for a few more years to come.
 
Ok, slightly off the wall suggestion. If it isn't viable to repair it or use it in any way, and if it isn't a danger to the public, shipping or the environment why not just let it rot? Things don't have to last forever, neither do they have to be cleared out of sight. Having a slowly deteriorating pier at least says something about Hull's history for a few more years to come.
I was thinking the same thing - I don’t see that it’s that different to the very photogenic bits rotting away outside William Wright Dock.

Though admittedly I then also thought that it would be a legal liability nightmare once people accessed it and plummeted through weakened timbers into the river. Which kind of answers my own question…
 
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I was thinking the same thing - I don’t see that it’s that different to the very photogenic bits rotting away outside William Wright Dock.

Though admittedly I then also thought that it would be a legal liability nightmare once people accessed it and plummeted through weakened timbers into the river. Which kind of answers my own question…
In these litigious times that would probably be most folk's first thought, sadly. :emoticon-0101-sadsm
 
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Ok, slightly off the wall suggestion. If it isn't viable to repair it or use it in any way, and if it isn't a danger to the public, shipping or the environment why not just let it rot? Things don't have to last forever, neither do they have to be cleared out of sight. Having a slowly deteriorating pier at least says something about Hull's history for a few more years to come.
I think the council have let enough of Hull city centre rot as it is. However I get your sentiment.
 
So in addition to millions in restoration costs, you've got the ongoing costs of paying someone to open and close the gates
Assume it would be the same person who opens and closes the adjacent flood gates on the harbour wall and the walkway.

That pier was a lovely place to sit in peace. Bet they will not reopen the river walkway either .
 
A new BBC article says no decision has been made yet...

A council is exploring options for the future of a 200-year-old pier in Hull, five years after it was closed to the public.

Hull City Council said Victoria Pier had been shut for safety reasons because of its age and condition.

In a statement, the authority said it had secured a specialist contractor to "inspect and assess the possible future options for the structure".

However, it has not confirmed whether one of the options would be to demolish the pier.

A spokesperson added: "This is a complicated process and we are taking time to get things right."

The pier, originally known as the Corporation Pier, first opened as a ferry terminal in 1825, linking Hull and Lincolnshire. It was renamed following a visit by Queen Victoria in 1854.

It is located close to a section of a flood defence wall, which runs for more than four miles (7km) from St Andrew's Quay to Victoria Dock Village.

A sign on a gate at the entrance reads: "Dangerous structure - keep out".
 
I doubt if any other city in the country, with a river front like ours, would even contemplate demolishing a 200 year old pier. They would repair, as it was repaired some years ago, and cherish it for the memories and attraction that it once was. People's ashes have been scattered from this pier head.
But no doubt the memories will mean as much as the memories of the old Boothferry Park did, another place were peoples ashes were scattered to these hollow faceless councillors who would say anything, use any soundbite they can dig up to save their own skins and salary for another four years.
 
Albion Square lead developer partner sought

Hull City Council has taken a major step forward on its redevelopment of the former BHS building, announcing that it is seeking a lead developer partner to help to deliver the next stage of its Albion Square project.

The council’s cabinet today gave permission to commence procurement activity for development of the former BHS building and the remainder of the site.

Crucially, this approach from the council will improve scope for securing external funding, brings in external expertise for the project and shares risks between the council and the partner.

The council is aiming to regenerate a derelict and underused brownfield site into a high-quality mixed-use development which will increase footfall, add to the city centre living offer and boost Hull’s city centre economy.

Cllr Paul Drake-Davis, portfolio holder for regeneration and housing at the council, said: “Albion Square is a major regeneration project that will bring significant benefits to our city centre.

“Securing a lead developer partner is key to delivering Albion Square as successful tenders can advise on the latest market demands and help leverage external funding to help make sure the city has a worthy finished product delivered on sound financial footings.”

The redevelopment of the former BHS building will complement the predominantly NHS-funded Community Diagnostic Centre, which is due to open this spring.

The centre will accommodate around 300 patients daily for essential services including CTs, X-rays, MRI and phlebotomy all under one roof, as well as creating up to 100 new jobs.

Cllr Drake-Davis added: “Since the Albion Square development’s initial inception, there have been significant shifts and changes to the economy, both locally and nationally, as well as the way people use buildings and perceive urban centres.

“The imminent arrival of the Community Diagnostic Centre on the north-eastern corner of the site has shifted the scope again, but the council welcomes the development and the benefits it will bring to the city centre in terms of footfall to support local businesses.”

VINCI Construction UK Limited will continue to manage the site until a lead developer partner is secured.

Traffic management will be in place on the corner of Albion Square and Bond Street from Monday 3 March for cable trenching works to connect to the Community Diagnostic Centre.
 
I've been reading English language Indian newspapers recently.

**** me they highlight how far British written media had fallen.


Balanced articles giving differing points of view (for example on the removal of Indian nationals from the US - flown into Amritsar on a military plane with no notice), with no bias whatsoever, just facts and differing interpretations; then a Leader comment which did give a point of view but separate to the main article. Well written, considered and fair.

Like both the Guardian and the Daily Mail used to be.

Give the facts, the news, the interpretations - then the paper's view separately.

When did we lose this in Britain?
I don’t disagree - I also read the Washington Post and it is a shadow of the paper that employed Bernstein and Woodward.

However, trashy journalism has also been around a long time. I have a collection of cuttings describing the inquest into an ancestors death 100 years ago. Some of the reporting was very sensational indeed over several columns, whereas the Manchester Guardian reported it in a brief couple of factual paragraphs. In one of the papers there was an adjacent story about a couple of young lads who’d had a fine old time breaking into a cinema at night, stealing sweets and trashing seats, vandalised a house and also tormented a cat. One of them had “trashy novels” in his pocket - there was lots of hand wringing about the pernicious influence of violent reading material on the morals of young men. Substitute rock’n’roll or video nasties or gaming and the article could have been written at any time over the last century. Plus ca change.