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  1. Star of David Bardsley

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    Queens Park Shaggers, the unstoppable force

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    some looneys see nazi salutes everywhere

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    Elon Musk draws scrutiny over arm gesture at post-inauguration rally
    Elon Musk has caused outrage over a one-armed gesture he gave during a speech celebrating the inauguration of Donald Trump.

    Musk thanked the crowd for "making it happen", before placing his right hand over his heart and then thrusting the same arm out into air straight ahead of him. He then turned and repeated the action for those sitting behind him.

    Many on X, the social medial platform he owns, have likened the gesture to a Nazi salute.

    In response, Musk posted on X: "Frankly, they need better dirty tricks. The 'everyone is Hitler' attack is sooo tired."

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    Musk, the world's richest man and a close ally of President Trump, was speaking at the Capital One Arena in Washington DC when he made the gesture.

    "My heart goes out to you. It is thanks to you that the future of civilisation is assured," the 53-year-old said, after giving the second one-armed salute.

    There was immediate backlash on social media.

    Claire Aubin, a historian who specializes in Nazism within the United States, said Musk's gesture was a "sieg heil", or Nazi salute.

    "My professional opinion is that you're all right, you should believe your eyes," she posted on X, in reference to those who believed the gesture to be an overt reference to Nazis.

    Ruth Ben-Ghiat, a history professor at New York University, said: "Historian of fascism here. It was a Nazi salute and a very belligerent one too."

    Andrea Stroppa, a close confidant of Musk who has connected him with far-right Italian PM Giorgia Meloni, was reported by Italian media to have posted the clip of Musk with the caption: "Roman Empire is back starting from Roman salute".

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    The Roman salute was widely used in Italy by Benito Mussolini's Fascist Party, before later being adopted by Adolf Hitler in Germany.

    Stroppa later deleted his post, Italian media said. He later posted that "that gesture, which some mistook for a Nazi salute, is simply Elon, who has autism, expressing his feelings by saying, 'I want to give my heart to you'," he said.

    "That is exactly what he communicated into the microphone. ELON DISLIKES EXTREMISTS!"

    The gesture comes as Musk's politics have increasingly shifted to the right. He has made recent statements in support of Germany's far-right AfD party and British anti-immigration party Reform UK.

    Appearing at the Davos at the World Economic Forum's annual meeting, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz was asked about the comparison to a Nazi salute, something that is banned in Germany.

    "We have the freedom of speech in Europe and in Germany," he said.

    "... what we do not accept is if this is supporting extreme right positions. And this is what I would like to repeat again."

    But some have defended Musk, including the Anti-Defamation League, an organisation founded to combat anti-Semitism.

    "It seems that Elon Musk made an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute," the group posted on X.

    Musk has become one of Trump's closest allies and has been tapped to co-lead what the president has termed the Department of Government Efficiency.
     
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    Possibly the wrong thread. Alfie Lloyd for Chancellor.
     
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    I can't quite believe he would put in the effort to do so
     
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    He was going to do something else but gave up half way
     
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    Must think he's that whacko Elon Musk? (I see Kiwi already has this covered)
     
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    Massive win for Harry in the High Court.....

    The apology to Prince Harry in full
    NGN offers a full and unequivocal apology to the Duke of Sussex for the serious intrusion by The Sun between 1996 and 2011 into his private life, including incidents of unlawful activities carried out by private investigators working for The Sun.

    NGN also offers a full and unequivocal apology to the Duke of Sussex for the phone hacking, surveillance and misuse of private information by journalists and private investigators instructed by them at the News of the World.

    NGN further apologises to the Duke for the impact on him of the extensive coverage and serious intrusion into his private life as well as the private life of Diana, Princess of Wales, his late mother, in particular during his younger years.

    We acknowledge and apologise for the distress caused to the Duke, and the damage inflicted on relationships, friendships and family, and have agreed to pay him substantial damages. It is also acknowledged, without any admission of illegality, that NGN's response to the 2006 arrests and subsequent actions were regrettable.

    NGN also offers a full and unequivocal apology to Lord Watson for the unwarranted intrusion carried out into his private life during his time in Government by the News of the World during the period 2009- 2011.

    This includes him being placed under surveillance in 2009 by journalists at the News of the World and those instructed by them. NGN also acknowledges and apologises for the adverse impact this had on Lord Watson's family and has agreed to pay him substantial damages.

    In addition, in 2011 News International received information that information was being passed covertly to Lord Watson from within News International. We now understand that this information was false, and Lord Watson was not in receipt of any such confidential information. NGN apologises fully and unequivocally for this.
     
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    Is this not for the Meghan thread? Genuinely unsure whether your comment is ironic or not. Personally I have no interest either way.
     
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    Not ironic, and I think it does belong here. Harry has taken on Murdoch and won an important victory, imo.
     
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    Has Prince Harry got what he wanted after tabloid apology?
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    Has Prince Harry achieved "accountability" with his settlement?
    The settlement between Prince Harry and News Group Newspapers is a dramatic, high stakes, turnaround. But it's courtroom drama without the court.

    Prince Harry's team hailed the deal that stopped the trial as a "monumental victory", receiving an undisclosed amount of "substantial damages" and an "unequivocal apology".

    They say he's been vindicated - but will there also, deep down, be some mixed feelings about not getting his day in court? Was this really "slaying dragons" of the tabloid press, as he'd celebrated after a previous win when he'd given evidence in court against Mirror Group Newspapers?

    Co-claimant Lord Tom Watson paid tribute to Prince Harry's tenacity in pursuing this case for so long, praising his "bravery and astonishing courage".

    While on the opposing side of the scrapped case, NGN says the agreement "draws a line under the past" and they reject the claims that would have been made in court about a corporate cover-up.

    When NGN has spent £1bn on previous claims, they might think any extra spent on staying out of court was a win for them too.

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    The apology for Princess Diana would have been very important for Prince Harry
    Why did Prince Harry strike a deal now?

    It seems a change from Prince Harry being adamant that this was about "accountability".

    "The goal is accountability. It's really that simple," Prince Harry told a media event in New York last month, about why he was taking on the Murdoch press.

    "The scale of the cover up is so large that people need to see it for themselves," he said.

    He was fully aware of the financial risks built into such civil disputes, but seemed determined to press on, not just for himself but for 1,300 claimants who he said had settled but had "no justice".


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    Lawyer David Sherborne read a statement outside court where the case would have been held
    "Accountability" was mentioned again in a statement read out on behalf of Prince Harry and Lord Watson.

    "The time for accountability has arrived," but it meant in terms of calling on Parliament and the police to pursue what they called the "unlawful activity now finally admitted" and "the perjury and cover ups along the way".

    There was a similar call for a follow-up when Prince Harry won against the Mirror group newspapers, but there has been no imminent sign of action.

    Perhaps it shouldn't have been a surprise that there was a deal.

    There has always been immense pressure for a settlement, because the curve of civil law bends so strongly in that direction.

    Even if a claimant wins a case, they could end up paying the costs of their opponents, if the damages award is less than they have been offered.

    The legal costs and damages at stake in this case could have been £10m. That's a big poker hand decision for anyone. Plus the unknown jeopardy of what might happen in the court case and what questions Harry might have faced on the witness stand. He might have had his case ruled out of time or had his claims rejected.

    The psychological cards would all have been stacked towards doing a deal. Does everyone have a price? Even when they're seen as the last man standing?

    In terms of the amount of damages paid to Prince Harry, or what he might do with the money, that hasn't been made public.

    But what Prince Harry's team have seized upon is the skyscraper scale of the apology - seeing it as a "collapse" of the NGN's denials.

    They might argue that even if he had fought the court battle and won, there wouldn't be any more to be gained.

    This has always been a very personal battle for Prince Harry, the battle with the tabloids touching on his childhood as well as his adult life. So it's significant that the apology includes an admission of a "serious intrusion" into the "private life of Diana, Princess of Wales".

    That could mean more to him than any financial deal.

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    Media gathered outside the court to hear details of the agreement
    Prince Harry's team also repeated the claim that "the Sun, the flagship title for Rupert Murdoch's UK media empire, has indeed engaged in illegal practices".

    This references the apology's mention of "unlawful activities carried out by private investigators working for the Sun".

    NGN's statement emphasises that this applies to the activities of external private investigators, "not by journalists" on the Sun.

    But it narrows some of the fastidious distancing that there's been between what had happened at the shut down News of the World and the Sun.

    While the statement from Prince Harry's team lambasts those presiding over a "toxic culture" in parts of the media, past and present, and repeats its claim about a corporate cover-up, these are attack lines from a court case that will now never happen.

    NGN rejects the claims of a cover-up and the destruction of evidence. But the overall tone of the response is relief at the end of arguments over old battles, and that this now draws a line under all these disputes over front pages from decades ago.

    "Indeed the judge made it clear in remarks in court at the end of the hearing that these cases are likely to be the last liable to go to trial," said NGN.

    The bombshell case that was going to see Prince Harry giving evidence against his tabloid tormentors is over before it began. Who, in the end, will be more pleased about that?
     
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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-64057457

    The worst part of this outcome is that despicable c*nt Tom Watson has got a massive payout. The same Tom Watson who used parliamentary privilege to peddle the lies of Carl Beech of a VIP *****phile ring at Westminster. Just the minimum of due diligence would have revealed Beech as a proven fantasist and the many 'celebrities' who were targeted by Operation Yewtree which was driven enthusiastically by Watson had their lives wrecked as a result. As Lord Lamont said his elevation to the Lords was 'stain' on the House...
     
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    Well, given that he has Congress already, perhaps he’ll start with having a bash at local government, and possibly those pesky independent regulators who get in the way of ‘growth’.

    Looks like his fan Rachel Reeves is setting the tone.
     
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    Wow, that's rather a stretch - comparing Labour's desire to restrict the ability of a few NIMBYs to block much-needed house building projects to 'Unitary Executive Theory' as proposed in the MAGA Project 25. This would put the entire federal bureaucracy, including independent agencies such as the Department of Justice, under direct presidential control. They want to exercise power without limit. Trump is already heading for a clash with the Supreme Court with his plan to revoke birthright citizenship. He knows this is unconstitutional but he's doing it anyway. The Court is duty bound to strike it down, but what appetite will it have to do its duty in the face of an all-powerful president and the baying mob that Trump will mobilise in support?
     
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    10.800 millionaires chased out of the country
    Labour wants them back


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    UK to soften tax rules for wealthy foreigners after millionaire exodus, Rachel Reeves says
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    • The U.K. is to soften some planned changes to its controversial non-dom tax rule following concerns of a millionaire exodus, the Treasury has confirmed.
    • Speaking at a fringe event in Davos, Finance Minister Rachel Reeves said the government would put forward an amendment after “listening to the concerns” of the non-dom community.
    • The changes come as new data estimates 10,800 millionaires left the U.K. last year amid a clampdown on the uber wealthy in the October budget.
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    Rachel Reeves, UK Finance Minister, speaking on CNBC’s Squawk Box outside the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland on Jan. 22, 2025.
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    The U.K. will soften some planned changes to its controversial non-dom tax rule following concerns of a millionaire exodus, the Treasury has confirmed.

    Britain’s 200-year-old non-dom regime permits people living in the U.K., but who are domiciled elsewhere for tax purposes, to avoid paying levies on income and capital gains earnings overseas for up to 15 years. The regime has long courted controversy, leading U.K. Finance Minister Rachel Reeves in her October budget to confirm that it would be abolished from April 2025, and that all long-term residents would be subject to inheritance tax (IHT) on their worldwide assets, including those held in trust.

    Speaking at a fringe event at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Reeves said the government would soon put forward an amendment to the country’s Finance Bill, increasing the generosity of a rule which allows non-doms to bring money to the UK without paying significant taxes.

    “We have been listening to the concerns that have been raised by the non-dom community,” Reeves told The Wall Street Journal’s Emma Tucker when asked about recent departures of the ultra-wealthy.

    “In the finance bill, we will be tabling an amendment which makes more generous the temporary repatriation facility, which enables non-doms to bring money into the UK without paying significant taxes,” she added.

    Reeves on Thursday also sought to reassure wealthy overseas investors that the changes would not affect double-taxation agreements held between the U.K. and other countries.

    “There’s been some concerns from countries that have double taxation conventions with the U.K., including India, that they would be drawn in to be paying inheritance tax. That’s not the case. We’re not going to be changing those double taxation conventions,” she said.

    In a statement to CNBC confirming the plans, a Treasury spokesperson said the tweaks were designed to motivate non-doms “to bring their funds to the U.K., encouraging them to spend and invest this money here.”

    “While we do not expect these changes to impact the £33.8 billion of tax revenue that the OBR forecast to raise over five years, they reflect our continued engagement with stakeholders to make sure the reforms announced at Budget operate as intended,” the statement added.

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    UK faces ultra-wealthy exodus amid non-dom tax changes

    The government’s October clampdown on non-doms formed part of wider measures aimed at the upper echelons, with new levies placed on private equity bosses, private schools, second homes and private jets.

    Critics warned at the time that the moves would spark a mass exit of ultra wealthy individuals — many of whom, they said, would be key contributors to the government’s pro-investment agenda.

    An estimated 10,800 millionaires left the U.K. last year, according to updated figures from global analytics firm New World Wealth and investment migration advisers Henley & Partners, a 157% increase on 2023.

    “Most eligible HNW taxpayers will wish to make full use of the temporary repatriation facility (TRF) and will welcome the news that the scheme is to be made more attractive,”

    James Austen, tax partner at Collyer Bristow, said that the amendment signaled on Thursday would be welcome news for many high net worth taxpayers, but he questioned whether it would be enough to stem wealth outflows.

    “The government’s proposed amendment to the Finance Bill is not a significant change to its plans, and many of the concerns about the new regime, particular in relation to trusts and IHT, remain. I don’t expect this will ‘move the dial’ for most non-doms,” he said by email.

    “The TRF is welcome news to the non-dom community still in the UK who may now stay a while longer, although this may only delay but not prevent their plans to leave, and for others it may be too little too late,” added Matthew Braitwaite, head of Wedlake Bell’s private client offshore team.




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    You coming home then?
     
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