As the initiator of the thread, thanks for all the replies. I get the argument that if the product was more exciting , the atmosphere would be better, but clearly there are also others like me who think there's more to it than that. I do feel now there's a sort of nervous resignation among some of us (might include myself) that we don't look like scoring and sooner or later we'll concede, and also there are plenty to who I think the result just doesn't matter that much as long as they have an afternoon out. I used to run creative workshops with businesses where a whole range of people would be involved in trying to generate solutions to a problem. I fear there is nobody in our club at the moment who would consider that worthwhile. I also repeat a point I've made before that I really don't know who in the club is thinking about addressing these off the pitch issues. Can't believe it's the Sporting Director's remit. Feels like the sort of thing an Adam Pearson type would have addressed in the past.