Transfer Rumours To sack or not to sack?

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Should we sack Ange now?


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I said we could spend a maximum of 50m this window. That doesn't mean we could afford to spend that last window.
Our number of hamstring injuries is nowhere near the top of the range. Klopp had many more in his first season at Liverpool and about the same in his last.

And Klopp never had Liverpool in a situation where relegation is becoming a small possibility.
 
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It's the first time in nearly 20 years that we've had a bad run of results...that doesn't signify that there's anything wrong at all!
 
Why? Three times as many people agree with my vote than yours. Trying to hound a manager out of our club is exactly what a WUM would do.

A few have already said they only voted to keep Ange in defiance of Levy, not because they actually think he's necessarily a good manager.

I'd also be keen to know how many of the votes are actually Spurs fans, it's very a possible a few non-fans have voted for a laugh, though I can't be certain of that of course.
 
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It depends how much better they are than the 15th best squad. But I still reckon we will finish around 8th.

We'd have to claw back an 11 point swing to currently finish 8th.

Unless we experience a miraculous upturn in form, that's extremely unlikely.
 
A few have already said they only voted to keep Ange in defiance of Levy, not because they actually think he's necessarily a good manager.

I'd also be keen to know how many of the votes are actually Spurs fans, it's very a possible a few non-fans have voted for a laugh, though I can't be certain of that of course.
Quite possibly but I was being accused of Wummery when all I have been doing is putting the argument for keeping Ange
 
Quite possibly but I was being accused of Wummery when all I have been doing is putting the argument for keeping Ange

I think King just struggles to see your viewpoint.

I do too, although I don't think you're a wum. I just think you and I see things very, very differently.
 
Why? Three times as many people agree with my vote than yours. Trying to hound a manager out of our club is exactly what a WUM would do.

Wanting Ange in is fine and that doesn’t make you a wum. It’s some of the things you say that make you sound like one to me.
 
The very worst thing to do is to make decisions based on insufficient data. It almost never makes sense to sack managers on results because the margins are so fine. Ange has also had a terrible run of injuries to contend with. I still think he can turn out OK.

If managers aren’t getting sacked because of results, on what grounds should managers get sacked then?
Football clubs literally sack managers all the time because they haven’t picked up results in a “results game”.
 
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If managers aren’t getting sacked because of results, on what grounds should managers get sacked then?
Football clubs literally sack managers all the time because they haven’t picked up results in a “results game”.
The average tenure of a football manager is ridiculously low. That's because clubs sack them too early. It may be a results game but many things affect results other than managerial decisions. We've seen four this season...poor recruitment, injuries, bad refereeing decisions and a bizarre distribution of goals.
You should ask your newly appointed manager what their strategy is and sack them if they depart from it.
 
The average tenure of a football manager is ridiculously low. That's because clubs sack them too early. It may be a results game but many things affect results other than managerial decisions. We've seen four this season...poor recruitment, injuries, bad refereeing decisions and a bizarre distribution of goals.
You should ask your newly appointed manager what their strategy is and sack them if they depart from it.

but to use two of your examples (injuries and distribution of goals), what if the manager is partially responsible for an exacerbated injury situation? As well as not adapting and adjusting their methods/tactics to counteract the poor distribution of goals, thus correcting that problem?

I can’t stand Levy from a footballing perspective, but even I can admit that not everything is his fault.

Simply put, there’s components of the on field success that are the managers responsibility. Therefore accountability has to lie with that person
 
Dalglish kept Liverpool about where they were and Ranieri was just a one season wonder. But even if you included them and say Bertie Mee at Arsenal and Kevin Keegan at Newcastle you still wouldn't get any sort of pattern that showed you how to select a great manager.
Dalglish won a title with Blackburn Rovers....hardly the Real Madrid of the Premier League! <laugh>
 
but to use two of your examples (injuries and distribution of goals), what if the manager is partially responsible for an exacerbated injury situation? As well as not adapting and adjusting their methods/tactics to counteract the poor distribution of goals, thus correcting that problem?

I can’t stand Levy from a footballing perspective, but even I can admit that not everything is his fault.

Simply put, there’s components of the on field success that are the managers responsibility. Therefore accountability has to lie with that person
I totally agree with your last point but it is still important to make decisions on statistically significant measurements. There is far too much knee jerk reaction happening throughout football.
Your point about the distribution of goals is seemingly shared by the vast majority of fans but I don't think it is right. Goals are scored and conceded quite rarely and usually by good attacking play or defensive mistakes. I can see how better coaching can improve the former or decrease the latter but I can't see what can be done to change the distribution.
Take Brennan Johnson...he has scored a few very similar goals this season but he has also missed a few from almost identical situations. If he had happened to score four of the ones he missed and missed four of the ones he scored we could have 8 more points. I don't think this is under anyone's control.