The argument/complete nonsense thread...

If you look at the way Baz interviewed the lad sympathetically, and the way Mike went for the jugular to get the 'story' from the off stark, but I don't think any of the press had a heads up to begin with, so had little time to prepare.

...and the relevance of this to actual reality is what exactly?

 

So you say that perception of Turkish people about entire 2000 incident and Turkish flag laws is not really linked to flag ban incident that make Acun tweet at 03:52 AM to defend himself?

 

I think it's an entirely manufactured story.

Because it is.

There is no ban. Its a respectful request that anyone but idiots will comply with.

Wonder when Tan is going to be ostracised for laying a wreath at the Elland Road memorial 2 years running?

With mostly warmth on twitter (even from Turks) previously for doing so.

It's become an issue because it's been framed as one. That's all.

I don't disagree that since picking up the Fenerbache role he's faced far more media headwind though. City will have to get used to it.

 

I’m not big on this decision by the club - but at the same time come on mate - they were murdered and defendants found guilty. Let’s not do the ‘but but but….’

 

What you think or what I think doesn't matter. I will write one long post and close topic on my side, I didn't see it, neither I am defending it because I have no idea what happened there, truth is, he wasn't even a Gala fan, we know full name of murderer and other person helped him (this one was a Gala fan), since it was in all the news without regular censoring, anyway it was another team fan but I won't give their name because I don't want to label them. My first post was a warning about upcoming backlash and then I followed up with how Turkish people perceive event and flag. You already see it Acun's reaction post, amount of view numbers on Hull tweet reaching 700Ks and newspaper are presenting it as flash news: "Acun banned Turkish flag". Most of the nation believes below statement of murderer, again I am not saying that it is correct, but perception is that, I will share statement it in the end but first more about flag sensitivity of nation.

First Acun part and flag, Acun is bound to Turkish laws that includes law of flag, a small part of article 7 of Law of Flag clearly states: "The Turkish Flag shall not be insulted or shown disrespect by speech, writing, action or any other means". It doesn't matter if event happens in UK or on the other side of world, you can understand seriousness of offence against flag from how hastily he responded in the middle of night, if all newspapers starts to write "Acun banned Turkish flag" as I shared, you know you are in deep ****. The notion of flag is very different in Turkey than UK and disrespect can be very lenient things that you won't even notice during the day (I will give Nato example below, simply putting flag on ground considered as disrespect same article 7 states: It shall not be put on places where people sit or stand.). I don't expect you comprehend it easily of course, but as an example I am not even living there for two decades, my Turkish is fading every day more and more, but even I know entire national anthem is dedicated to flag, 41 very very long verses only about flag, part you hear during national team games is only 8 verses, first 4 is about star of the flag and next 4 is about crescent of flag. It is forbidden to wear it as clothing, it is forbidden to leave it on ground, even during battle closest soldier should stop fighting and collect it, otherwise you can face measures (normally fine is more lenient and only monetary, but depending on situation it can elevate to treason charges, and I mean it, there are example cases) etc. etc., huge deal there. I will provide you a proof about seriousness of this law how Turks are embodied it: you can see Erdogan or any Turkish official is collecting Turkish flag during NATO and EU events when they put it as a sign on ground to mark where they should stand:

A tiktok video from a news channel: https://www.tiktok.com/@haber7com/video/7283061706958425350

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Statement of murderer to understand why flag is a sensitive topic, especially in this case and why it put Acun in a though position with a simple tweet:

"My uncle and 4 friends and I went to Taksim around 18:00-19:00 as we always do. There was a restaurant that we always hung out at, which is no longer in service. We were sitting at the tables outside. There was a bar two rows down from where we were sitting. A group of 15-20 hooligans from Leeds were leaving that bar and coming towards the area where we were sitting. It was obvious from their strange behavior that they had drunk a lot of alcohol. "
- What kind of strange thing are you talking about?
"They were harassing women and girls on the road. They started throwing alcohol bottles at the restaurant 2 rows away from us. They were damaging bus stops and taxis. Then they started pulling down their pants and rubbing the Turkish flag on their genitals. They were also swearing at Turkish citizens passing by. They harassed a young girl there very badly. Then, a fight broke out. Because Turkish citizens also started to react to this behavior of the hooligans. "
- How did you intervene in the incident?
"When my uncle saw two hooligans rubbing the Turkish flag on his genitals and crushing it under their feet, he could not stand it anymore and stood up and headbutted a hooligan. Thereupon, all the Leeds fans attacked my uncle from behind. They stabbed my uncle in the leg."

 

****s sake. This is hilarious.

It's literally a gesture to stop bother at the game.

You've pretty much shown your agenda here.

Oh, and did AI write that for you, by any chance?

Like your historic tax receipts , decades old purchases as a 500k tax write off to keep that plane in the air with it's mileage, you're literally a bot.

Galabot.

 

It is enough. What agenda, I believe you are the one with agenda, with all your buttlicking posts everytime I post.

If it is all about agenda, here is my agenda that I will follow from now on: Your so called "gesture" is literally banning symbol of my nation. That's an insult towards us, I stand with my Turkish brothers and if this is the way Acun is supporting, I hope he face consequences in his home nation proportionally.

Meanwhile I also condemn what happened to Leeds fans, whatever happened there, it should not be a murder for sure, those murderers had to notify law enforcement instead of intervening themselves.

 

People are being asked to leave the flag at home for one game ffs it's not being banned.

 

Thanks for the A I reply.

Galabot.

None of that is actually happening..

There is no ban. Its a respectful request to the majority to avoid antagonism on the day.

Seems a lot of folk who have never been to Hull want to turn fans towards confrontation tomorrow.

This is a political fight being played out in Turkiye and not related to the 2 clubs involved in tomorrow's game.

Now respectfully, feel free to f#£k off.

 

Yeah you call me Galabot, because I already said everywhere that I don't like guy, even before he was in Fener board, I keep saying it for 3 years. Acun you loved so much put club in 65 million pounds debt just in 2 years, he ****ing paid 40M for this club and the debt he created is already more than that and in the end we lost our best assets. Keep licking his ass, I will be around when you start to bark: Acun Out after we are bankrupt. Then we will see who really cared about club and who is Galabot.

 

You say that as if he hasn't also increased the value of the club. You discuss finances but have a very thin understanding. I'm not suggesting the club is worth 65m but to suggest the debt being more than the purchase price means much..

 

What value, team is about to relegate, remind me our value if we drop down to League One. Our squad is definetely worth less, we don't have young assets like Greaves and KLP unlike the situation when he arrived. Debt will be same figure but revenue of club will be less than half of this season in lower league, then your credibility will take a hit, repayment will be in danger, loans that you seek for will have higher interest rate and you won't be able to find loans easily, since your debt will multiply your total revenue.

 

We've been bankrupt before.

We rise again. Stronger.

Acun doesn't get out of this without a loss either.

 

And you're ****ing loving it aren't you..

Which is why you came here in the first place.

 

That must be why clubs like Huddersfield and Birmingham went bust.

Belloumi, millar, Hughes, Kamara, drameh, puerta all are good young players who other clubs would pay fees for.

I get it, you think we're doomed. You've said the same thing multiple times.

 

I've said before I don't care what happens to us financially. We'll be fine in the end. It's part and parcel of following a football club outside the big 4/6/8 whatever it is these days. Everyone goes through periods where they're "doomed" and "could fold within a week", including today's opponents. Never happens.

 

What makes you say that, my point for 3 years are same and I am right about in all of them:

- We don't need ****ing Turkish league dropouts, if we want to use Turkey as our hinterland go for young athletic ones with re-sell value, any player who ended up there as foreigner is already overpriced, bringing them here is another extra payment to go down one tier below.
- We have to finish transfer season early this summer, not on deadline week, it is a complete new team, they need to gel and we went to our only training camp, Turkish camp with 2nd squad that is not part first 11 now, I don't even know how many of them in squad now.
- Why the **** we have a camp in Turkey at all, it is a ****ing hot place with minimum 45 degrees in summer, Antalya is a winter warm camp destination, not summer and it is not even altitude camp, 0 altitude literally.
- Why did we sack Liam at first place, who can justify that?
- What our partnership with Fener brought us since day 1, rather than transfering our money to them with stupid transfers like Allahyar? We created a debt to finance their struggles, alright I am OK with that if there is return, but what was the benefit on our side, we are being ****ed in every transaction, even travelling there to play games against Gala and Fener is a cost for us without any return.

All of my critics were on point, except keeper one that I admit I was wrong, I thought Pandur was not ready and we need an international keeper like Romanian NT keeper who was free agent for long time and available and performed well in Euros. That was a mistake, but beside that all my posts are available, you can find them. We are mismanaged by an impulsive owner who takes erratic decisions also suck financially.

Just because of pointing that mismanagement, you keep labeling me in all your posts with agenda, now your term, which is Galabot. And yes, it is banning my countries flag, I do not agree with that, it is a disrespect.

 

Oozkan is a Galatasaray supporter who hates Acun.
City supporter my arse

 

I'm not replying to a post you didn't write.

 

Feed the bot.