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PLT said:
He really is, if you set aside unshakeable reputations and look at the things they do. Coyle is a tidy player on the ball with a decent cross. Drameh can twat a ball but can't play in tight spaces at all and isn't remotely a crosser of the ball.

Drameh's benefit is his pace in defensive situations, but even then the one time it really mattered with the break for the winner in the Sunderland game, he inexplicably let the guy beat him again to score having caught him up.
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Am I on MTV being Punk’d?

Coyle’s only two plays are pass back to Jones or run with his head down into no man’s land. He doesn’t look to see what’s in front of him. Neither does Jones.

Don’t get me started on his crossing. I actually can’t believe you mentioned that as a strength of his.

He’s a decent defender, as is Jones, but both are shocking on a technical level when it comes to decision-making in possession.
 
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Kalman II said:
Am I on MTV being Punk’d?

Coyle’s only two plays are pass back to Jones or run with his head down into no man’s land. He doesn’t look to see what’s in front of him. Neither does Jones.

Don’t get me started on his crossing. I actually can’t believe you mentioned that as a strength of his.

He’s a decent defender, as is Jones, but both are shocking on a technical level when it comes to decision-making in possession.
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We could go back and forth forever on this, but to me it just seems like you're devoted to this idea of the former League 1 players being scrappy cloggers and nothing more and nothing they ever do can change that view. I think with Jones it's even more wrong than with Coyle.
 
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PLT said:
We could go back and forth forever on this, but to me it just seems like you're devoted to this idea of the former League 1 players being scrappy cloggers and nothing more and nothing they ever do can change that view. I think with Jones it's even more wrong than with Coyle.
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No, it’s based on what I see with my eyes. McLoughlin could be a ‘League 1 scrappy clogger’ by that logic but I think McLoughlin is a much better passer and has a better footballing brain than either Coyle or Jones. He’s just slow as ****.
 
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PLT said:
He really is, if you set aside unshakeable reputations and look at the things they do. Coyle is a tidy player on the ball with a decent cross. Drameh can twat a ball but can't play in tight spaces at all and isn't remotely a crosser of the ball.
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That is genuinely gob-smackingly wrong. Coyle is a very poor crosser of the ball, how many times does he actually get a cross in to an area where someone might get a head to it? His crosses mostly either hit the first man or sail over everyone's heads into touch. Coyle's workrate and willingness to run forward when there's space are to be applauded, but his ability on the ball and passing are well below the standard we need to be playing at the top end of the table. Doesn't mean we can't succeed with him playing, we did last season, but that we could do with a better footballer in that position. Hence Drameh.
 
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Kalman II said:
Am I on MTV being Punk’d?

Coyle’s only two plays are pass back to Jones or run with his head down into no man’s land. He doesn’t look to see what’s in front of him. Neither does Jones.

Don’t get me started on his crossing. I actually can’t believe you mentioned that as a strength of his.

He’s a decent defender, as is Jones, but both are shocking on a technical level when it comes to decision-making in possession.
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Over the years he's been great for the club. But his decent defending is last ditch defending. He has no pace to counteract an aggressive winger, more especially a skilful one, and invariably can be seen clawing at him trying to catch up, he gets sucked in to a defensive line adjacent to his CB leaving acres of space. Having no pace can be made up at an certain age by craft, unfortunately Father Time has caught up with him at 29.
 
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Kalman II said:
No, it’s based on what I see with my eyes. McLoughlin could be a ‘League 1 scrappy clogger’ by that logic but I think McLoughlin is a much better passer and has a better footballing brain than either Coyle or Jones. He’s just slow as ****.
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To add on to this, Lewis-Potter and Greaves had their breakout seasons during that League One title-winning season. I don’t think they’re ’League One cloggers’.

Even at the time, before he got poorly, I thought Emmanuel was a better footballer than Coyle in League One. Coyle’s fine as club captain but he’s nowhere near the technical level. How many other Championship teams would he start for as much as he does for us? He’s an okay defender but extremely limited in his passing range, his vision, his decision-making etc.
 
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It’s an interesting debate about Coyle… City fans fall off into 2 camps, some just love a tryer who runs his socks off , and that’s all they want . Others want players with ability . For me 100 % effort and running should come as standard , and it’s not solely enough . That was my point about Longman the other day, I don’t care he runs all day, he kicks fresh air more then the ball and for a championship player it’s not good enough.
 
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DJBlackandamberarmy(No4) said:
It’s an interesting debate about Coyle… City fans fall off into 2 camps, some just love a tryer who runs his socks off , and that’s all they want . Others want players with ability . For me 100 % effort and running should come as standard , and it’s not solely enough . That was my point about Longman the other day, I don’t care he runs all day, he kicks fresh air more then the ball and for a championship player it’s not enough.
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thats the crux of the problem with this team
we have players who can run all day and give it their all (one big problem here though... SO does every single other championship team)
but we have a severe lack of quality, which is evidenced by our winless in 13 and bottom of the league position

athletes are the bare minimum in the championship these days

we have far too many of the same types in one team

players like slater and coyle can work if the rest of the team is higher quality.. but its not close
 
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bradymk2 said:
thats the crux of the problem with this team
we have players who can run all day and give it their all (one big problem here though... SO does every single other championship team)
but we have a severe lack of quality, which is evidenced by our winless in 13 and bottom of the league position

athletes are the bare minimum in the championship these days

we have far too many of the same types in one team

players like slater and coyle can work if the rest of the team is higher quality.. but its not close
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I agree, every team needs a few of these to do the donkey work , mixed in with a few who can actually do something with the football . I always say if i wanted to just watch people running , I’d follow athletics .
 
DJBlackandamberarmy(No4) said:
It’s an interesting debate about Coyle… City fans fall off into 2 camps, some just love a tryer who runs his socks off , and that’s all they want . Others want players with ability . For me 100 % effort and running should come as standard , and it’s not solely enough . That was my point about Longman the other day, I don’t care he runs all day, he kicks fresh air more then the ball and for a championship player it’s not good enough.
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Omur is in the same boat, IMO. (Although perhaps not quite as bad as Longman, bless him)
 
Omur has great technical ability
But he has no real impact at all in games

Its why i said hed be a great 5 a side player
 
I think Omur is a not a fit to our play style, you need a team who plays half of the game around opposition goal for him to be effective. Lately we barely pass other half, and it is usually quick attacks. We need athletic players in winter transfer to make a difference.
 
oozkan said:
I think Omur is a not a fit to our play style, you need a team who plays half of the game around opposition goal for him to be effective. Lately we barely pass other half, and it is usually quick attacks. We need athletic players in winter transfer to make a difference.
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We've needed athletic players for a long time regardless of the style of play.
 
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