Tuchel’s England

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We had a few foreign managers and still didn't win anything.

We've got a much better team than the flatterers to deceive we had under the late lamented Sven were. We were a pile of bab under Capello, that much is true.

Southgate failed. With the players he had he should have won the World Cup or the Euros at least twice. Hopefully a bit of German steel, with no pandering to any favourites and mates like the previous chump did, can prevail.
 
We've got a much better team than the flatterers to deceive we had under the late lamented Sven were. We were a pile of bab under Capello, that much is true.

Southgate failed. With the players he had he should have won the World Cup or the Euros at least twice. Hopefully a bit of German steel, with no pandering to any favourites and mates like the previous chump did, can prevail.

When Capello was appointed the red top papers all went with the disciplinary angle, his own man not to be swayed by the back seat drivers of the FA in reality it was no different to what we had seen for years. There was a few comments on here about Carsley being Southgate in disguise. Does it really make a difference who's in charge, and if someone is to come in and make sweeping changes will that man be Tuchel? I don't think so.
 
Dropped 250 million in one transfer window, won nothing for it and fell out with half his players. Sounds perfect for England. Still, his grandad did spend some time in England once, albeit in a Heinkel HE-177.
 
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Wonder if he will re-visit his master plan of building the team around one player? A trophy less plan. A somewhat spectacular failure that resulted in his sacking.
 
Putting nationality to one side. It's probably deserved recognition for being the man to break Bayern's 11 year title winning streak.

Leverkusen are crazy for letting him go.

Erm. That was a great achievement, yes. But it was Xabi Alonso, not Tuchel.
 
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I suppose I'm repeating myself but I really don't understand this Tuchel thing.

People framing it as a choice between an English manager and winning trophies. I have no idea what about him or his record means he's seen as the guaranteed success option.
 
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Erm. That was a great achievement, yes. But it was Xabi Alonso, not Tuchel.
I was going to say something but didn't know if it was a whoosh, with him being the first Bayern manager in 11 years not to win the league, or anything
 
We've got a much better team than the flatterers to deceive we had under the late lamented Sven were. We were a pile of bab under Capello, that much is true.

Southgate failed. With the players he had he should have won the World Cup or the Euros at least twice. Hopefully a bit of German steel, with no pandering to any favourites and mates like the previous chump did, can prevail.

I don’t know about Sven’s team - that was a side full of world class players all over the pitch.

I think our current side are a midfielder/CB and LB short of having the same consistency of quality.

Seaman
Neville Campbell Ferdinand/Terry Cole
Beckham Gerrard Lampard Cole
Rooney Owen

Is some serious quality all over the pitch - most arguably in the top 5 of their individual positions in the world.

Can you really say that about most of our XI now? Definitely our forward line but in the rest of the pitch it gets a bit harder to claim.
 
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This isn't Tuchel's fault, this is the fault of Lineker, Shearer, Beckham, Neville, Scholes, Ferdinand, Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, Kane etc, etc, none of our great England players have stepped up to the plate bar Southgate as a worthy England Manager in a generation leaving us no choice.
 
It should be an English manager. Maybe there ought to be a rule, similar to the one for players, requiring that the manager also meets eligibility criteria. However, no such rule exists. And the scarcity of English managerial candidates is telling—a real indictment of our system.

However, complaining that Tuchel is German is ****ish in my opinion.
 
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I’m disappointed we’ve gone down the foreign manager route, AGAIN, right now qualifying is still seen as expected & it’s only when the tournaments start that people really start getting excited.
I’m one of those who see qualifying as a forgone conclusion, so when the tournaments start, then I’ll decide if I’m excited or not.
Personally I’d rather have kept Southgate, Carsley or even Dyche. I still don’t think Tuchel will win anything, I don’t think he’ll have the passion for England, I hope I’m proved wrong on all counts, but my interest in the national team has dropped drastically!