WAR! What is it good for?

[PINKIE]

Time will tell.

Red lines have been crossed by both sides.

After decades of inertia and apathy, the chemistry shifted on Oct 7th. Painfully, it shifted in a hellish direction.

No-one knows what the day after will look like. And as I said above, this is one of the reasons Israel is doing what it is doing. The West continues to 'urge restraint' without providing even an inkling of as to what an alternative path can look like. No reassurances that Hamas won't be allowed to re-arm, that sanctions will be reimposed on Iran, that Egypt will have to massively up its game in policing its border with Gaza, that peace with the Saudis will be put back on the table. These are all perfectly logical and reasonable expectations Israel has in return for 'showing restraint', yet none of them have been forthcoming from the West with any real conviction.

No one is presenting a path forward to the Israelis, so they are forging their own.

A path of destruction that will simply lead to deeper ingrained hatred and mistrust for generations to come.

Bravo Israel

 

[Citizen Kane.]

A path of destruction that will simply lead to deeper ingrained hatred and mistrust for generations to come.

Bravo Israel

You are speculating and assuming.

You are also forgetting that Hamas itself emerged not from the embers of destruction and ruin, but as a protest against the most serious attempt at peace in living memory, at Oslo. Hamas' whole existence totally undermines your assumption.

Support for Hamas is rapidly collapsing across both Gaza and the WB as more and more people realise that their agenda is not one that can ever lead to peace, prosperity and statehood.

Time will tell.

 

[PINKIE]

You are speculating and assuming.

You are also forgetting that Hamas itself emerged not from the embers of destruction and ruin, but as a protest against the most serious attempt at peace in living memory, at Oslo. Hamas' whole existence totally undermines your assumption.

Support for Hamas is rapidly collapsing across both Gaza and the WB as more and more people realise that their agenda is not one that can ever lead to peace, prosperity and statehood.

Time will tell.

I think it’s a reasonable assumption to make that Israel’s actions are making it the No1 enemy state to the wider region and will lead to more ‘terrorist’ groups emerging

They might as well build a big ****ing wall around themselves and box themselves in for eternity, because it’s clear they have no intention of integrating with their neighbours

 

[Citizen Kane.]

I think it’s a reasonable assumption to make that Israel’s actions are making it the No1 enemy state to the wider region and will lead to more ‘terrorist’ groups emerging

They might as well build a big ****ing wall around themselves and box themselves in for eternity, because it’s clear they have no intention of integrating with their neighbours

Absolute nonsense.

Israel has full diplomatic relations with Egypt, Jordan, Bahrain, UAE and Morocco. None of whom severed those ties as a result of the current conflict.

I don't mean to lecture, but the situation is far more nuanced that you seem to believe, as is public opinion about Israel across the middle east. The overwhelming majority of Sunni states very clearly see Iran as the region's #1 enemy state, not Israel.

 

[PINKIE]

Absolute nonsense.

Israel has full diplomatic relations with Egypt, Jordan, Bahrain, UAE and Morocco. None of whom severed those ties as a result of the current conflict.

I don't mean to lecture, but the situation is far more nuanced that you seem to believe, as is public opinion about Israel across the middle east. The overwhelming majority of Sunni states very clearly see Iran as the region's #1 enemy state, not Israel.

Attacking Lebanon may change that in time

It’s clear that Israel is far past the point of ‘defending’ itself

 

[Citizen Kane.]

Attacking Lebanon may change that in time

It’s clear that Israel is far past the point of ‘defending’ itself

Again, you speculate.

But I do tend to agree on your second sentence. It passed that phase a while ago and in deciding to push ahead with a campaign against Hezbollah, is firmly in a phase that it hopes will realign the entire region, for better or for worse. Yes, there is always the risk of the latter. Time will tell if it comes to pass. I personally think we need Trump in the White House to prevent it. Harris won't have a clue how to handle this.

 

[PINKIE]

Again, you speculate.

But I do tend to agree on your second sentence. It passed that phase a while ago and in deciding to push ahead with a campaign against Hezbollah, is firmly in a phase that it hopes will realign the entire region, for better or for worse. Yes, there is always the risk of the latter. Time will tell if it comes to pass. I personally think we need Trump in the White House to prevent it. Harris won't have a clue how to handle this.

I also think it’s speculative to assume that Eqypt, Morocco and other states in the region will continue to back Israel’s actions.

Trump would be the worst scenario. As, along with supporting Putin, he would ‘put an end’ to any war by simply giving the aggressors, Russia and Israel exactly what they want. A terrible ‘solution’ for millions of people.

 

[Citizen Kane.]

I also think it’s speculative to assume that Eqypt, Morocco and other states in the region will continue to back Israel’s actions.

Trump would be the worst scenario. As, along with supporting Putin, he would ‘put an end’ to any war by simply giving the aggressors, Russia and Israel exactly what they want. A terrible ‘solution’ for millions of people.

I disagree. Trump's ego will drive him to find a solution. He wants that Nobel Peace Prize.

Less cynically, I will add that unlike all of his predecessors, Trump understands that the solution to political chaos often isn't more politics, it's economics. His vision for a Palestinian state that prioritised prosperity over territory was the first set of fresh ideas in nearly two decades and were a major catalyst in the Abraham Accords (Iran obviously provided the other main catalyst).

 

[PINKIE]

I disagree. Trump's ego will drive him to find a solution. He wants that Nobel Peace Prize.

Less cynically, I will add that unlike all of his predecessors, Trump understands that the solution to political chaos often isn't more politics, it's economics. His vision for a Palestinian state that prioritised providing prosperity over territory was the first set of fresh ideas in nearly two decades and were a major catalyst in the Abraham Accords (Iran obviously provided the other main catalyst).

I disagree. Trump will give Israel exactly what they want. He will do the same with Putin.

 

[duggie2000]

I reckon all those dead leaders who Israel have taken out are meeting up with their god right now, asking where is this heaven they were promised, only to be told heaven!? I gave you heaven, and look at the mess you've made of it, why would I give you a second heaven, go to the gates of hell.

Where they belong, they asked for it and sacrificed Gaza for it and now they have it

 

[Archers Road]

This week's attacks by Israel, a combination of intelligence services and air superiority are impressive to say the least.

It's threw Hezbollah into complete chaos, destroyed infrastructure, killed leadership and will shortly be followed up by a ground incursion.

All while maintaining a full military lockdown in Gaza, rendering Hamas' military arm useless.

It's modern technology used to its apex.

If the apex of technology is the capacity to kill, then yeah.

 

[Welshie]

If the apex of technology is the capacity to kill, then yeah.

Well it certainly ain't shopping centre massage seats

 

[Welshie]

No **** can align the middle East.

Anyone from the middle east knows this

Israel, being in the middle east, know this. They know, for a fact, bombing Lebanon will not cause any issues amongst the elites of any other Arab nation because they talk to these Arab nations all the time, they know them.

Saudi Arabian citizens don't even have free press, the **** do they know.

There are minorities in these countries that low-key support Israel. There's just no freedom of speech, they're not allowed to admit it.

Ask the Christians in Syria what side they're on lol.

 

[Citizen Kane.]

If the apex of technology is the capacity to kill, then yeah.

I was reflecting on this after watching 'Oppenheimer'.

We were handed the technology to have unlimited, clean energy forever and instead turned it into the most devastating destructive force imaginable.

 

[Welshie]

I was reflecting on this after watching 'Oppenheimer'.

We were handed the technology to have unlimited, clean energy forever and instead turned it into the most devastating destructive force imaginable.

We were doing it until one melted down and everyone **** their pantaloons.

Its less we are using all available resources to build weapons and more so people being ****ing wimps.

Japan does it, we in the West are petrified of nuclear energy.

 

[Welshie]

Gotta make a list of all the times Iran have sworn vengeance tbh

 

[brb]

Gotta make a list of all the times Iran have sworn vengeance tbh

It's what happens when you have a male dominant country like Iran. Fooking meatheads the lot of them. Lots of chest pumping not much sustenance. Shame really, the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

 

[Citizen Kane.]

Gotta make a list of all the times Iran have sworn vengeance tbh

Everything that has happened in recent months has seriously spooked them.

Since the last Israel-Hezbollah war ended in 2006, the latter spent the intervening years building its army and supply of weapons. Israel clearly spent it building intelligence. In fact, there are some suggesting that Israel's intelligence agencies went so far down the Hezbollah-Iran rabbit hole, they took their eye off the Hamas ball and Oct 7th happened as a result.

It should also be said that compared to many of his predecessors, Iranian president Masoud Pezeshkian is something of a 'moderate' in that he hates Israel but wouldn't risk open war to act on that hatred. Previous presidents have been much more bloodthirsty and so he is currently an interesting counter-weight to the benevolent and wonderful Ayatollahs.

 

[Citizen Kane.]

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