This is how the media counter any suggestion. Talking head says "some people" and interviewer immediately goes on the attack as if talking head said "everybody." I don't think anyone other than those bad eggs themselves suggest the peaceful marches are en masse racist but there is no denying that there is a visible number on those marches that are. That they are dwarfed by the numbers there is by the by. It is there and it is present while there does seem (<--- polite words. I mean definitely is) a minority within these marches that are most definitely not holding back their views and beliefs. This is from spiked and yes I know that despite Spiked being originally from very left routes they aren't on the centrist "moderate" narrative so are now seemingly "right wing" so feel free to dismiss it because it ain't the Guardian but I did read this today. Of course it is "whataboutery" as "champion of whataboutery" Owen Jones accuses everyone else of being but it does paint a picture! And the twitter / media reaction to the 2 identical gestures tells a story in itself. Same gesture, same day, One from the far right riots, the other from a "peaceful march."
I'm lucky in that I live in Lincoln, albeit in a county that people who don't know Lincolnshire want to make out is some racist hotbed, where I have encountered racism only a couple of times in my adult life when out with black friends or family, one of which who nursed a jaw as bouncers through us both out after he decided to beat up a black friend of mine landing one drunken punch before I knocked him to the floor. Yesterday one of the addresses of proposed protest was in an are of Lincoln I used to live in, police everywhere in preparation, 3 yoofs turned up to this address publicised as a law firm that dealt with asylum cases. There is no law firm there. lol. The tanning shop closed early, maybe due to worry that thickos might mistake freshly tanned wannabe Essex girls as being brown skinned. All 3 Yoofs arrested for throwing items and verbal abuse at the police. End of Lincoln problem (for the day at least.)
My God this is so boring. This isn’t tribal. Please stop going on about left vs right. We aren’t 15. We know life is more complicated than that. This week is racist vs not racist. Multiculturalism vs nationalism. Immigration: good or bad. Left and right are both side players to those issues, but a group of about 3 people does nothing but post about the ‘battle’ between these ideologies. Do you like racists? Everyone agrees no. Is multiculturalism good? I think most of us like it. Most of us are concerned about integration. We could have a decent chat about making that work. Do we want to better control our borders? Everyone agrees yes. We could discuss how this could work if people would just grow up. But the next person who posts that the left is better or the right is better is officially a ****.
Owen Jones and his pals, Ash Sarkar et al are professional grifters. They rail against stuff to maintain their huge followings and sell their books complaining about capitalism.........while enjoying the benefits of capitalism.....and yes, there are righty "activists" that are on that same train too. They aren't activists. Both sides they are opportunistic grifters out to advance themselves financially and keep the "talking heads" invites coming in.
What planet do you live on? The media and democrats colluded for well over 2 years to hide his medical conditions and pretend he was the worlds greatest president . In fact I’m pretty sure it was you that said the rumours of his decline were a right wing conspiracy theory
Probably because they are already years into calling him unelectable for anything that there is no point in trying to go after him for his age. Biden was being presented as competent while Trump being incompetant never minding his age. I thin kthey would prefer to paint him as a lunatic full stop, not present it as an age thing and more a personality thing and I daresay that is quite probably the best thing to do.
He must have false teeth if he's he's been on the speed for a while or you would definitely see the problem when he smiles! No way Trump is taking wraps of speed. He's just mad. People being a little desperate to add more to the madness me thinks. If he was doing some "no presecription" stuff it would be Coke not Speed. Speed is cheap and nasty stuff. But then maybe he has a meph-lab in his basement? who knows. I'm sure some "ex staffer" could fill in some gaps.
If Kim Jong Starmer continues going after posts on Twitter it looks like he’s going to have to arrest most of his own cabinet. He’s really stupid going after social media posts. It’s authoritarian and will end up backfiring spectacularly as it already has.
left is as bad as right and I think people are not really arguing about left and right themselves. They are talking about fairness (yes that sounds childish) in that right wing pricks doing bad things is stamped on while a lot of the same stuff on left wing issues is brushed off a lot of the time or excuses made of. And your 3 vs above are a bit black and white, excuse the pun. For example, immigration is good and is necessary. Most righties would agree with that however that is not the issue for the majority on this issue. It is more about the sheer volumes, where they are placed, how it affects communities and most importantly cohesion. Most people do not have a problem with other people, they have a problem with how policies affect their own lives. It is that latter part that has been allowed to be buried in the racist/fascist angle they use to ignore the questions and while governments for decades have been happy to pump money into London transport schemes they have not put much money into making sure that community's facilities, amenities, necessary improvements/increases to go along with the change in the areas. That is both side's that have ignored that part. In a similar way that when a house builder wants to develop a large area they have to agree on a % of "affordable homes" and to build amenities for that community.......which in most cases they then ignore, build some of it, build less affordable homes than they promised and not as affordable as anyone would envisage but a blind eye is turned once they move on. So just fairness and it is mostly a supposedly left wing angle because the tactics at the moment is to immediately close down discussion on anything not "on message" with slurs branding that argument as right wing or an 'ism or 'phobic. Not just on the immigration issue. Even feminists are denounced for not carrying today's message and prominent gay rights campaigners are denounced if they voice anything other than "today's" message. The reason the left gets criticised so much is because unless someone agrees with 100% of their current message they label transgressors as right wing which obviously a lot aren't, and that they will not discuss things, they talk over dissentors and immediately label normal concerns as being extreme trying to join up any dissent into the same basket as very extreme views from very nast people. A prime example is the knife crime problem where seemingly these politicians and community leaders want to only talk about "there's no youth club" as if that would be the magic bullet. As if these people would be going to youth clubs and ignoring that I personally can't remember there being youth clubs in my youth and knife crime was not the problem it was then, and then the other excuse often trotted out when % shows that there is a higher % of black people that are caught up in this they say it is due to the fact they have no other option in terms of prospects. The reality there is that it isn;t anything really to do with black or white people, that is to do with good old "class" if you want to look into it as a demographic rather than the old vision of class in that the majority of these criminals are from poorer backgrounds and that there is a higher proportion of certain ethnicities in that bottom bracket. That does not change the fact that "there is no other choice" is not a good argument at all. I daresay if the government built 100s of youth clubs across these areas where knife crime is a problem we would see no change (if this was the only action) after 10 years and probably most would only have the young folk that wouldn't have gotten involved in crime anyway. I liken it to the state's response (pretending) to try and improve young people's involvement in sports. They announce brand new 4G pitches and facilities as a great thing but then they charge more for the use of it so instead of having the good old fashioned football team playing on a bumpy pitch with nothing more than lines and goalposts for £1 or £2 a session, the price is now £5 to hire the 4G and it prices out a lot of people! Same as other sports. Participating in any sport these days is very very expensive and with so many cars on the road, mobile as well as parked, gone are the days of kids playing football in the road as they are immediately stopped by protective car owners, they are chased out of the parks, Signs up on every green space saying "No ball games." If you can't pay then kids quite literally can't play!
This discussion is so sad.... I went through the 60s, an adolescent and then an idealistic young man fuelled by an anti war energy leading to a need to explore the peace and love ideals. In the 70s met a fine woman who has been my partner ever since. We have 2 kids and 4 grandkids all born and raised in the comfort of unconditional love. Today we have cared for and entertained our youngest grand child, whilst looking after our son's dog as he and his family returned from an Minorcan holiday. I spent the middle part of the day at my very elderly mother in law's home, she is almost blind but otherwise fiercely independent, doing the things she needed to help her maintain her status. We are lucky to be retired, in our 70s, and able to care for 3 generations. It is not Utopia, sometimes it is hard work but there is a deep sense of satisfaction. My wife and I have no religious faith but a clear belief that love and peace beats hate and violence. That if you can combine intelligence, kindness and objectivity in your interactions with your neighbours and beyond then the vibe will resonate. You may think that I'm a dreamer... We need a Goalie, another midfielder and a striker.. lets move on.
What a fantastic life built in a stable, safe country. The sort of country that is slowly being decayed by insane policies. The new Soviet Britain will lead to very different outcomes for people.
No. Let’s consider the reality, not meaningless hypotheticals conjured up to win an argument; Several thousand people gathered peacefully to oppose racism and celebrate tolerance, is better than a few hundred thugs throwing rocks at the police. Count the arrests if you want evidence, and read the words of Sir Mark Reilly.
When they are arresting people simply for posting on social media to protect their political agenda, it’s a huge problem. This is the sort of thing I’d expect in an authoritarian dictatorship.
200 thugs is 200 thugs whether those 200 are scattered amongst 10s of thousands of peaceful protestors. Of course the peaceful protestors are better than 200 thugs. But the 200 thugs are still there and arrest numbers in a discussion about 2 tier policing is not really going to end in agreement! You'll have to link to Mark Reilly because google gives me drummers and bigPharma ex bosses.
Kier's purge of the left (far left) MPs that aren't friends or family of his front bench has unleashed the fire within and laughably the thicko righties replying didn't realise she is pointing squarely at Kier! https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/1821118249355944230
Your mistake here is trying to use logic. Unfortunately logic doesn’t speak to the emotional left. They see themselves as the good guys, the justice warriors so they can’t disconnect from things. They only see things through that one lens. They don’t see that laws should be applied evenly, which is why they celebrate when people that disagree with them are punished excessively. This is exactly the problem with Starmer right now and why he is dangerous to democracy. The power has gone to his head.
If there isn’t a single thing on their menu that you find tasty then well done - because it is specially made to target dopamine and trigger that reaction. And tastiness relative to cost as well - which I didn’t say.
