The pre-season thread - 2024/25

[st_brendy]

it’s the relegation season I think, spending £140m or whatever it was to then have a drop in revenue.

I’m not entirely sure how it is all calculated but I did see somewhere that if you sell a player during their first contract (which FFP is calculated against) for a loss then it goes down as a loss rather than income.

So for example if we sell Onuachu for £7m instead of it showing as +7m in the books it would be -13m as we spent £20m on him. Doesn’t really make sense as surely it should be a -20m at time of purchase then +7m if he is sold, but none of the way it’s calculated seems logical to me

I suspect that is a big reason why Leeds went down the route last season of loaning out loads of players, rather than selling them. If they had sold them, they would have likely realised losses on many of them. In cash-terms that wasn't ideal, because they would have raised far more cash from transfer fees than loan fees. But whilst PSR continues to be profit-focused rather than cash-focused, it's understandable what they choose to do. (Even if, in the long run, it's arguably not the right thing to do - because those original transfer fees paid will ultimately become fully deducted either way, it's just when it happens.)

PS. In your example, our loss for Onuachu would be less than £13m because we will have already amortised some of the original fee. But I do agree with your overall point.

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

Can we all just agree that FFP is not fit for purpose.

 

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Can we all just agree that FFP is not fit for purpose.

F F P is not F F P?

 

[ChilcoSaint]

F F P is not F F P?

F F P is not currently F F P, but we need to have a new version of F F P to make it F F P. Unless we do, football is F B B.

 

[SaintsFan86]

I suspect that is a big reason why Leeds went down the route last season of loaning out loads of players, rather than selling them. If they had sold them, they would have likely realised losses on many of them. In cash-terms that wasn't ideal, because they would have raised far more cash from transfer fees than loan fees. But whilst PSR continues to be profit-focused rather than cash-focused, it's understandable what they choose to do. (Even if, in the long run, it's arguably not the right thing to do - because those original transfer fees paid will ultimately become fully deducted either way, it's just when it happens.)

PS. In your example, our loss for Onuachu would be less than £13m because we will have already amortised some of the original fee. But I do agree with your overall point.

I don't know where £20Million for Onuachu comes from I thought it was €18Million at the time which is about £15Million sterling.
So I'd suggest we've probably amortised £7.5Million.

We would have to sell for 7.5 to make a profit but I could be talking rubbish.

 

[Saints Fan4Life]

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[shoot_spiderman]

You are spot on about competition being stagnant, but football has become a major pillar of the worldwide (armchair) entertainment industry, so the vast majority of "football fans" don't support one particular club, although they will happily wear a particular club's shirt, just to 'belong'. Watching the same team doing well every week does not diminish their desire to watch more of the same, so the money keeps rolling in. Anyone who believes that individual club's fans' voices make a dingo's kidneys worth of difference to the money men is sadly mistaken.

The situation is far graver than I realised …

… your post doesn’t include any corny jokes

Are you Ok L&O?

 

[Lemons and Oranges]

The situation is far graver than I realised …

… your post doesn’t include any corny jokes

Are you Ok L&O?

Occasionally, I resort to 'real world' opinions, some of which are based on reasoned arguments. Then I realise that nothing I say will make any difference to anyone else (unless you count the time I told a man in a black and white hooped shirt, a mask, and a bag marked 'Swag', where I keep my front door key), so I may as well revert to poor attempts at humour. I'll stop now, as I'm getting a Haddock.

 

[saintlyhero]

Think it’s hyperbole to suggest the PL is a closed shop after one season of promoted sides making a swift return.
There are about 6 or 7 sides a duff management appointment away from relegation

 

[thereisonlyoneno7]

Think it’s hyperbole to suggest the PL is a closed shop after one season of promoted sides making a swift return.
There are about 6 or 7 sides a duff management appointment away from relegation

Or just a bad year. The year Bompey went down was unfortunate. We were crap too in our year, but previous to that we were not too close to it

 

[saintlyhero]

Or just a bad year. The year Bompey went down was unfortunate. We were crap too in our year, but previous to that we were not too close to it

Yep, In our two relegation seasons from the PL we had three different managers

Sturrock/Wigley/Redknapp
Hassenhuttl/Jones/Selles

it’s really difficult for any team to cope with that kind of disruption and if you’re already a bottom half squad then it’s likely curtains.

I don’t know if any teams might be close to a melt down of those scales, but I wouldn’t rule it out

 

[Libby]

Brentford will go down this year imo

 

[thereisonlyoneno7]

Brentford will go down this year imo

I feel Bompey. Dunno why, just do.

 

[Libby]

I feel Bompey. Dunno why, just do.

I think they'll be okay. Though I should qualify that with the fact I don't pay any attention to transfer windows.

 

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I honestly think the three who came up will be battling with Everton. Everyone else should be fine. I saw Fulham a couple of times last year and, like Palace, I was impressed enough to think man for man they were better than us all over the park.

 

[Che’s Godlike Thighs]

Reckon Brighton might struggle.

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

Reckon Brighton might struggle.

Nah. Think the the kid they have managing them is good. As is Bompey’s manager. Brentford have firepower if they keep Toney.

 

[Ronnie Hotdog (MLsfc)]

Yep, In our two relegation seasons from the PL we had three different managers

Sturrock/Wigley/Redknapp
Hassenhuttl/Jones/Selles

it’s really difficult for any team to cope with that kind of disruption and if you’re already a bottom half squad then it’s likely curtains.

I don’t know if any teams might be close to a melt down of those scales, but I wouldn’t rule it out

I'd argue we had 3 managers in those years because we were dogsh*t. Rather than us struggling because of the disruption of going through 3 managers.

 

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I'd argue we had 3 managers in those years because we were dogsh*t. Rather than us struggling because of the disruption of going through 3 managers.

We were dogshit but having three managers was like walking the dogshit in onto the rug.

 

[Lovelocum]

I'd argue we had 3 managers in those years because we were dogsh*t. Rather than us struggling because of the disruption of going through 3 managers.

I genuinely think if SR had gone for a boring experienced manager we could have stayed up. Just.

edit: instead of jones. He was the worst. Just terrible.