I also said this: “For those legitimately seeking asylum and protection from persecution elsewhere, coming here with nothing, we should welcome them, offer our protection, help them get back on their feet and then expect the same from them as above.” …and this… “I actually agree with Stroller that we should establish the means for these people to apply for asylum in the UK before they arrive here illegally.”
Are you blind? Are you not seeing the move to the Far Right in Europe due to uncontrolled immigration? This is exactly what Farage was warning about. It's mostly the numbers, though there are cultural issues too. Wake up to what's happening beyond our shores
Let's all open our houses to lovely white Ukrainian asylum seekers. Let's provide them with safe passage routes so they don't have to risk their lives to get here. Why not find a Ukrainian bride? Ukraine Brides Agency - Meet Genuine Single Ukrainian Women Where was the Farage poster stirring up hatred against Ukrainians?
What has been interesting in this GE is how much stronger TMV has become. There has been a number of independent MPs elected in places like Dewsbury, as featured by the Beeb yesterday, where Palestine was one of the key local issues that won the day. Up until now TMV relied on Labour to be their voice but as they grow in number they have the representation to go it alone. Their rejection of Ashworth and heckling of Phillips are all evidence of a growing confidence.
Starmer appointing quite a few non MPs to ministerial roles. No problem with this, if they bring genuine expertise to the role. Plenty of countries separate the executive from the legislature. As has been amply demonstrated being elected an MP does not imply that you have any special skills or innate ability to manage anything at all. Timpson of Timpsons doing prison reform. Wes Streeting is talking to Alan Milburn about taking up some sort of role in the ministry of health/sickness/death/complaints management or whatever it’s called. Jacqui Smith, ex Home Secretary, being made a peer to become a minister in the home office.
I’d be surprised if Labour makes a significant dent in illegal immigration numbers in the short term. I’m not sure what they want to do about legal immigration which is where the big numbers are. But if anybody voted for them or the Tories thinking that they would be tough and successful in cutting or stopping immigration, you would doubt their attachment to the real world. Those people who really feel that immigration is the biggest issue facing the country had an obvious place to put their X, which is good for them. And perhaps they all did. So of the 48.2 million eligible voters 4.1 million, less than 10%, voted Reform, the only party which would have any anti immigration credibility.
In the Sunday Times today, Blair warns there must be a plan to control immigration, if the UK is to avoid the disruption seen in Europe, indeed all over the Western world. He recognises the cultural issues. He says "There is clearly a challenge with part of the Muslim community but that is a topic requiring its own special analysis". He recommends the introduction of ID cards. "We should move as the world is moving to digital ID". Doesn't happen often, but I agree with him fully.
As many will recall, I have been opposed to ID cards in the past but am persuaded that they’re essential now.
I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place on this issue. The vast majority of people coming over on boats are young blokes (I think Goldy may have pointed this out). I would have a much more sympathetic view if they were children or women. I also stated, which in my opinion was just common sense, when we left the EU, we would just replace the white immigrants with the non white immigrants. That has happened tenfold. In life, I generally like to look at prevention before I do the cure. What causes this type of immigration/asylum, is it mainly wars? Of which we usually play some part either directly or indirectly? Or is it because we have such lovely weather here and fish & chips?
You're far from being alone, Ubes. It's a different world now. Labour would get credit points by bringing them in
Cos I typed fish & chips, I'm fully expecting my phone to miraculously show me adverts for local takeaways
Think I’m pretty meh on ID either way. Don’t really see what it would achieve. Would it be compulsory whenever leaving the house? I rarely carry a wallet now. I guess it could be carried on a phone rather than a physical card.
I have absolutely no issue with replacing white immigrants with purple, blue or green ones. I said ages ago that one of the post-Brexit things we should have done was to forge closer ties with the Commonwealth countries. On a separate note, I have no recollection that Brexit was much to do with the free movement of peoples within member states. It was more to do with the imposition of rules from unelected, faceless bureaucrats in Brussels.
There I have to ever so politely disagree with you Ubes. Brexit was 99% to do with immigration/free movement. The imposition of rules, of which we had a say in was just complete bollox to the everyday man on the street. I certainly know that not a single rule whilst being a member of the EU hindered my life in any way.
