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FellTop said:
This is fundamental in my opinion. I get the sense these days however we vote more for the leaders than we do policy at either local or national level.

Topic of conversation over our sunday dinner yesterday. Argument over why my oldest refuses to vote - he says he thinks none of them offer his generation anything. Mum said vote for the local candidate you think best able to represent us at Westminster. He asked her to name them and their local policies. Silence. I went to wash the pots <laugh>
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Yeah they used to say of you don't vote you don't get to complain but voting for one of the main parties just makes you part of the problem nowadays. The system won't last as it is, kids coming through to adulthood now have too much information at their disposal and too much ability to question how things are.
 
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TopCat_ said:
Farage is a racist ****. Those are the facts. He's reeling people of a certain generation in by playing on their fears about immigration and "lefty culture".
He's a horrific human being .
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He is not racist at all, another sheep following the path laid by men in Grey suits terrified of a new way of Britain being given a better way.
We need change.
Labour will kill this country, full of woke and daisy do gooders.
 
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Bob the Mackem said:
He is not racist at all, another sheep following the path laid by men in Grey suits terrified of a new way of Britain being given a better way.
We need change.
Labour will kill this country, full of woke and daisy do gooders.
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Bob the Mackem said:
He is not racist at all, another sheep following the path laid by men in Grey suits terrified of a new way of Britain being given a better way.
We need change.
Labour will kill this country, full of woke and daisy do gooders.
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I'm no fan of the Labour party. At all.

But to suggest Farage is offering something new or better than anyone else is a hard one to understand.

I'd say absolutely everything I have ever seen him say stands in defiance of progress.

I'd say he's about as progressive as Oswald Mosley.

The whole man in the grey suit analogy is an odd one also. Does Farage not commonly wear grey suits? Is he not privately educated and the son of a stockbroker? Did he not work in finance in the city before he decided he thought Enoch Powell was a good man to model himself off.

He's hardly anti-institution, he just wants to make the institution a little more fascist and intolerant of the other.
 
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Bob the Mackem said:
He is not racist at all, another sheep following the path laid by men in Grey suits terrified of a new way of Britain being given a better way.
We need change.
Labour will kill this country, full of woke and daisy do gooders.
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I'd say it's you being led down the garden path by Farage. He's a toff pretending to be a man of the people by having his picture took in the pub having a pint. A puppet of Putin.

Divisive politics blaming everything bad on immigrants straight from the play book the Nazis used against Jews in 1930s Germany.

Don't fall for it.
 
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Bob the Mackem said:
He is not racist at all, another sheep following the path laid by men in Grey suits terrified of a new way of Britain being given a better way.
We need change.
Labour will kill this country, full of woke and daisy do gooders.
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I like Farage. I think he’ll make very good opposition to the government.

I couldn’t vote for him until he cleans up his party. I’d be concerned that a Farage government would have actual Nazi’s on the government front benches. We are already seeing some have slipped through the net.
 
Coastal Dolphins said:
I'd say it's you being led down the garden path by Farage. He's a toff pretending to be a man of the people by having his picture took in the pub having a pint. A puppet of Putin.

Divisive politics blaming everything bad on immigrants straight from the play book the Nazis used against Jews in 1930s Germany.

Don't fall for it.
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What concerns me is just how fanatical his supporters are and how aggressive they become if he's challenged in any way.

People seemed to have a real man-crush with Boris and this is little different. They'll turn a blind eye to all the lying and jump on anyone who points it out. Yet they'll bring up the slightest anomaly from other politicians. The only 'sheep' are those who fall for his act imo.

If he was genuinely committed to the welfare of the working man he'd stick to 'his cause' ...

... but we all know he'll drop them like a stone the moment it suits him.

His tax proposals may sound like he's on the side of the working man but the top 10% of earners would actually benefit to a much greater degree. But, just as people ignore his deputy's happiness to let migrants drown, they'll refuse to even acknowledge that.

I say 'ignore' in the hope that they don't actually agree.
 
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The longer the two main parties play games that only count within a mile of Westminster, the more likely people will become to hold their nose and vote for someone like Farage. There comes a point where any kind of change is better than more of the same.

Tories and Labour running a mile from the IFS judgement of their tax plans. That's what we want to hear about But no, we're talking about trans rights and immigration because it's easier to call each other names than discuss policy....
 
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Bob the Mackem said:
He is not racist at all, another sheep following the path laid by men in Grey suits terrified of a new way of Britain being given a better way.
We need change.
Labour will kill this country, full of woke and daisy do gooders.
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So anyone who doesn't agree with you is a sheep? You have your view, everyone else's is taken from men in grey suits? <laugh>

Maybe this country needs a change. Farage and his racists are NOT the way forward.

I LOVE the way people like you use woke as an insult <laugh>
 
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TopCat_ said:
So anyone who doesn't agree with you is a sheep? You have your view, everyone else's is taken from men in grey suits? <laugh>

Maybe this country needs a change. Farage and his racists are NOT the way forward.

I LOVE the way people like you use woke as an insult <laugh>
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Boris Johnson and Farage are currently going for each other's throats calling each other liars, hypocrites, etc ...

... so it's weird to see people happily switching from fanatically supporting Boris to now supporting Farage.

Or do they just do it because it's trendy,

"Of course, I'm not taken in by the two main parties, I'm much too free thinking for that."
 
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Smug in Boots said:
All kinds of politicians are all kinds of things but she's the only one that I believe has serious issues in her mind ...

... there's something just not quite right about her imo.

The intelligentsia of the Tory party thought fit to anoint her PM which possibly indicates how compos mentis that lot are. If anyone can bear to sit through this it might explain better than I can ...

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Horrible embarrassing video, couldn't watch it through to the end. Any tory members over the age of 60 who voted for her, over Sunak, needs locking up for being thick/racist/senile/scum (delete as appropriate).
 
Smug in Boots said:
Boris Johnson and Farage are currently going for each other's throats calling each other liars, hypocrites, etc ...

... so it's weird to see people happily switching from fanatically supporting Boris to now supporting Farage.

Or do they just do it because it's trendy,

"Of course, I'm not taken in by the two main parties, I'm much too free thinking for that."
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Any links?
 
Smug in Boots said:
Boris Johnson and Farage are currently going for each other's throats calling each other liars, hypocrites, etc ...

... so it's weird to see people happily switching from fanatically supporting Boris to now supporting Farage.

Or do they just do it because it's trendy,

"Of course, I'm not taken in by the two main parties, I'm much too free thinking for that."
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Just about the only time Johnson and Farage are remotely associated with telling the truth is when they are calling each other lying hypocrites.

Quite ironic
 
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