Transfer Rumours Summer 2024 transfer thread

[Shark Sports]

Equally with few long term expensive contracts, we're only one really good window away from promotion. We've got absolutely no idea what the squad will look like.

On Norwood, yes please. We are desperate for experience and depth. Even if we only have him for one season - we should be signing a number of cheap players like this.

The chance of this is much slimmer though. To sign 10-15 new players, bring in the right ones, bed them in, get the manager used to the league and hit the ground running and be consistent enough to challenge is completely unrealistic.

Even when you look at a Burnley, who signed a lot of players and were successful, they had a strong core of really good Championship players to rely on, plus parachutes of course.

 

[Shark Sports]

But we’re talking about signing one or two free transfers here, that doesn’t mean our entire transfer philosophy for the window is set by this theme or that every transfer we make will be like this. I understand that buying young players, developing them and selling them on is what helps us keep going and is profitable, but it can’t be all we do. We’ve been incredibly lucky that we’ve had Bowen, KLP and Greaves sold for high prices recently and I think that’s pushed people’s expectations up with regards to how easy it is to pull that off on a regular basis.

Simons was brought in as one for the future, he had a stuttering loan last year and a bad injury so he’ll need to go somewhere to improve and build confidence next year. It might be that Walter works wonders with him and he becomes a first team player.

Whatever happens, I don’t think we will see the approach of “I want the fans to be impressed with a big name” because we did that before and it didn’t work out. I think this window will be a lot more pragmatic and will therefore be a bit slower than the others in terms of the rate at which they arrive.

It is and it isn't. I remember having a conversation on here about Rudoni 2 years ago when he was available for £1m. That was low risk as low wages but I think it was you saying that the club decided against it because they thought they could sign better. Well they couldn't and they didn't. But if you're going to have an approach of signing younger players, you've got to have patience with them. I don't think the owner does.

 

[Ric Glasgow]

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[Kalman]

It is and it isn't. I remember having a conversation on here about Rudoni 2 years ago when he was available for £1m. That was low risk as low wages but I think it was you saying that the club decided against it because they thought they could sign better. Well they couldn't and they didn't. But if you're going to have an approach of signing younger players, you've got to have patience with them. I don't think the owner does.

Annoys me when I think of some of the players we’ve passed up during Acun’s tenure. Rudoni’s a great example. Ndayishimiye is another. If we signed them in summer 2022 we may have had two more high-value assets right now in addition to Greaves and Philogene and we could’ve picked and chose which ones we sold to balance the books.

Passed them up all so we could spend our FFP headroom on absolute dross that we’ve since sold on for a loss or have barely played. Sayyadmanesh, Sinik, Woods etc.

 

[oozkan]

Tufan's fee is confirmed as 2M Euros, most of the Turkish sources are writing same number now.

 

[Drew]

The chance of this is much slimmer though. To sign 10-15 new players, bring in the right ones, bed them in, get the manager used to the league and hit the ground running and be consistent enough to challenge is completely unrealistic.

Even when you look at a Burnley, who signed a lot of players and were successful, they had a strong core of really good Championship players to rely on, plus parachutes of course.

Possibly, but I’d argue the chances of relegation with a squad full of older players who we want to but can’t offload due to high wages are even higher.

There are positives and negatives of having a lot of room for manoeuvre in a transfer window. Get it right and it might all be fine, but there is that chance it won’t.

Either way, we’ve got no idea, especially at the end of June.

 

[oozkan]

One detail about Tufan transfer, even if Hull announce Tufan transfer as disclosed fee, Trabzonspor have to explain it to stock exchange and will be available via this link.

Tomorrow Turkish transfer window starts, so we will learn truth sooner or later.

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

The more I think about this Tufan business the more insane it becomes.

Either, the reported fee is total bollocks, or there’s some brown envelopes being passed around somewhere.

Either way, even if the player wants the move, there’s no way I can see the club letting him go for such a paltry sum. There’s gotta be a lot more going on there. If we’re in a tight FFP position the absolute last thing we would be doing is giving away one of our most talented and valuable assets for next to **** all.

I think we just have to trust the club with this one.

I put earlier in the thread, that the fee were selling Tufan to Trazbonspor for is a lot closer to his market value, than the one Omur came the other way for.

Yes he's gone slightly undervalue, but...

Take the win and move on.

 

[Steven Toast]

It is and it isn't. I remember having a conversation on here about Rudoni 2 years ago when he was available for £1m. That was low risk as low wages but I think it was you saying that the club decided against it because they thought they could sign better. Well they couldn't and they didn't. But if you're going to have an approach of signing younger players, you've got to have patience with them. I don't think the owner does.

We did, we signed Slater for £50k, I'd argue we got more out of Slater than Huddersfield got out of Rudoni for the money they paid (£1m). He did alright last season, but for the money they've paid (a rumoured £4.5m), it's a huge gamble for Coventry.

Even so, our recruitment department aren't going to get it right every single time, there's been many a time when we've passed up on a player that's gone on to do well.

You're right, our owner doesn't really have patience, but then you can understand that given the money he's put in. It's an interesting dynamic between the fans and the owner, because I think we're more willing to wait whereas as a businessman wanting a return on his investment, he will want to see money coming back to him and an increased profile in a short time frame.

 

[Shark Sports]

Annoys me when I think of some of the players we’ve passed up during Acun’s tenure. Rudoni’s a great example. Ndayishimiye is another. If we signed them in summer 2022 we may have had two more high-value assets right now in addition to Greaves and Philogene and we could’ve picked and chose which ones we sold to balance the books.

Passed them up all so we could spend our FFP headroom on absolute dross that we’ve since sold on for a loss or have barely played. Sayyadmanesh, Sinik, Woods etc.

The embarrassing thing is two of the best imports from the Turkish League to the Championship haven't come to us, Haji Wright turned us down and I've no idea what we were doing to miss out on Sainz considering we were desperate for wingers.

We did, we signed Slater for £50k, I'd argue we got more out of Slater than Huddersfield got out of Rudoni for the money they paid (£1m). He did alright last season, but for the money they've paid (a rumoured £4.5m), it's a huge gamble for Coventry.

Even so, our recruitment department aren't going to get it right every single time, there's been many a time when we've passed up on a player that's gone on to do well.

You're right, our owner doesn't really have patience, but then you can understand that given the money he's put in. It's an interesting dynamic between the fans and the owner, because I think we're more willing to wait whereas as a businessman wanting a return on his investment, he will want to see money coming back to him and an increased profile in a short time frame.

Slater was different though as we had him on loan. The problem is our recruitment team get it wrong a lot more than they get it right. I feel like Acun has tried to reinvent a wheel that didn't need reinventing and his belief that he could sign players from the Turkish League and have instant success was naive at best. It just shows a lack of understanding of football for me. The Turkish League is low intensity and tempo, which makes it a really tough adjustment and shock horror, hence why the majority have been flops.

On the bright side, Germany seems to be his new fad, and they're the leagues that are probably closest to ours and the PL, albeit they are more open.

He didn't need to come in and throw money around. He could've kept Grant in charge till the end of the season and relied on the KLP income without spending as much as he's allowed too.

 

[Kalman]

The embarrassing thing is two of the best imports from the Turkish League to the Championship haven't come to us, Haji Wright turned us down and I've no idea what we were doing to miss out on Sainz considering we were desperate for wingers.

How we weren’t even linked or competing with Norwich for Sainz, at least to my knowledge, is baffling. He was a free transfer from the Turkish league. Compare that with our free transfer winger from Turkey, Lokilo, and you can see the gaps in our recruitment model.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

How do you know we didn't value him at that? What our (fans) valuation of a player and the owners look like being very different.

I'm not quite sure I understand your point, unless it's to agree with me the club clearly has a different valuation of him. How much would you think Swift and Wallace at wba are worth?

 

[John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.]

The problem isn’t with who we have or haven’t got now. It’s more a case of making a cohesive team before the start of the season. That’s the problem, I don’t see how we can challenge for a top 6 place with so much churn. It’s normally stable teams with subtle changes that are successful.

I take your point, which on the face is a concern, but It depends, I looked at Burnley who the season they got promoted with Kompany, compared the team with the season before under Dyche and it is unrecognisable.

Kompany brought in players to suit his way of style, and the team was virtually completely different to the season before. He got them promoted and were the best team in the league that season.

So it can be done, it is not a dissimilar situation we have with TW coming in, it is all about recruitment now, if they get it right.

Yes, Burnley had parachute payments to use and got £25m for Woods, but they didn't spend heavily, their biggest signing was Twine, and had 6 loans, the best of which was Tella, so if we did sell either Greaves or Jaden, then our positions wouldn't be too far away budget wise.

I, for one, are looking forward to what develops.

 

[mauled1904]

The chance of this is much slimmer though. To sign 10-15 new players, bring in the right ones, bed them in, get the manager used to the league and hit the ground running and be consistent enough to challenge is completely unrealistic.

Didn't we bring in 9/10 last summer and another 7/8 in January, OK we missed out on the playoffs (by one win), but we did OK

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

I take your point, which on the face is a concern, but It depends, I looked at Burnley who the season they got promoted with Kompany, compared the team with the season before under Dyche and it is unrecognisable.

Kompany brought in players to suit his way of style, and the team was virtually completely different to the season before. He got them promoted and were the best team in the league that season.

So it can be done, it is not a dissimilar situation we have with TW coming in, it is all about recruitment now, if they get it right.

Yes, Burnley had parachute payments to use and got £25m for Woods, but they didn't spend heavily, their biggest signing was Twine, and had 6 loans, the best of which was Tella, so if we did sell either Greaves or Jaden, then our positions wouldn't be too far away budget wise.

I, for one, are looking forward to what develops.

The similarity ends when you compare strength and depth and budgets.

 

[GEvans76]

So we have sold one of our best players for 2m.
Only Greaves & Philogene to be sold now.
No point keeping your proven best players around.

 

[balkan tiger]

Talk about wetting the bed, how about we wait and see what players we have at the start of the season (nigh on 2 months away) before saying we're doomed.

 

[GEvans76]

Talk about wetting the bed, how about we wait and see what players we have at the start of the season (nigh on 2 months away) before saying we're doomed.

True 7 weeks is a long time in football.

 

[amberman8]

We've heard all this before though, especially in his first window and it was a car crash.

I'm still waiting for us to replace Smallwood.

When we're basically having a major rebuild every summer, you're only a bad window away from being in a relegation scrap.

But only a good window from the premier league lol

 

[Gone For A Walk]

Talk about wetting the bed, how about we wait and see what players we have at the start of the season (nigh on 2 months away) before saying we're doomed.

Tbf, I don't think many are wetting the bed (yet).
It's 7 weeks, Tick tock. It's going to be an interesting 7 weeks for sure.
Most just seem to be recognising the huge scale of the needed rebuild.
There's a fair chance that Greaves (and Philogene if he goes) won't go for a while yet, which makes the task even harder as we won't have (semi-)serious money until he does. A fair part of the rebuild could even come after the season has started before the window closes, which means we would be, once again, playing major catch up.
I'm excited but concerned. I'm finding it astounding that we're now in such a poor state squad wise this far in to Acun's ownership. In fact, I'm almost embarrassed to admit that I'm part of the brain's trust; I just hope my colleagues have learnt lessons over the past year or two.