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alcoauth said:
There were a few meltdowns on here yesterday, I seem to remember it occurring after the Rosenior news was coming out and some people really went in on Speakman, wonder if calmer heads are prevailing today or doubling down is the order of the day?
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I’ll be doubling down myself. He’s made a complete mess of the whole thing. Needs to go.
 
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CR17 said:
I think finishing 4th in the premier league, getting to an FA Cup final and being nominated for manager of the season in the premier league are way higher achievement wise
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I don't. Not with the squad and money at his disposal. Getting those clubs promoted is a far harder job.
 
The Norton Cat said:
I'd argue he's done more than Lampard. Took Colwyn Bay from Step 3 to Step 2. Took Fylde from Step 3 to Step 1 and then into the Nat League playoffs. Don't underestimate how difficult it is to get out of those leagues. That's far more than Lampard's ever done and that's not considering the job he did at Hartlepool and at Stockport.
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I guess I just meant he's not done enough at a high level.

You've made a good point, but Still think we can do better than Challinor though.

Think we can do better than Lampard as well for what it's worth.
 
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The Norton Cat said:
I don't. Not with the squad and money at his disposal. Getting those clubs promoted is a far harder job.
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Money, weren't they under an embargo and he had to use a load of young players? When Mount and Abraham were coming through? I'd say it was a good achievement to get that squad at the time. 4th.
 
I rated Lampard before Everton. To an extant I accept that as Everton are a bit of a basket case.

That run at Chelsea was ****ing stinking. Dodds style stuff.

Not sure what to think.
 
Roseee said:
All the managers you've listed except Rob Edwards have previously been at top jobs or involved in coaching at top clubs, and even he was at Watford before Luton. Challinor has done a job at Hartlepool and Stockport, he hasn't even proved himself in League One yet. We should be looking at win percentage/league positions along with what fits the club, hence the link with Still and Jansen who tick both of them boxes
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Xabi Alonso relegated from La Liga 2 in his first coaching role, his second is the job he's currently in.

Challinor is not my ideal appointment, nowhere close to it in fact, but you can't close the pool on potential appointments because of things like level they've coached at.

And if you want to bring irrelevant things like win percentage into it, Lampards is shocking.
 
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Money, weren't they under an embargo and he had to use a load of young players? When Mount and Abraham were coming through? I'd say it was a good achievement to get that squad at the time. 4th.
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Ok. I still don't think its as good as getting a club from Step 3 nearly into the league. And having done similar at other clubs.
 
CR17 said:
Young, modern tactics and is very well thought of by Bayern Munich which is why they want to keep him so bad. There's levels
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So thats the reasons you want Maric, I also want Maric for similar reasons. Yet you are ok with the tacticless Lampard?
 
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The obvious counter to Challinor is simply the level he has managed at, with the greatest respect to Hartlepool and Stockport, who are smashing clubs in their own right, they're just completely different animals to Sunderland and I'm not convinced it's purely a scaling issue, the clubs are just fundamentally different at a certain level and this impacts on things like personal character, ability to manage large amounts of pressure etc
 
Flashman_Karl said:
The real fans are all having meltdowns, if you're not then you're a happy clapper and Speakman apologist. There is no in-between.
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I'm not a happy clapper nor a Speakman apologist. Don't go putting people into your own little minded boxes.
I must admit I' m getting a bit fed up with the time it's taking, but I don't know what is happening behind the scenes and neither do you! What will be will be, if you don't like the appointment THEN complain, or get behind the appointee and support the club!
 
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SourPatch2 said:
So thats the reasons you want Maric, I also want Maric for similar reasons. Yet you are ok with the tacticless Lampard?
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He's had a rough second stint with Chelsea and the end of his everton stint wasn't too good but with what he has achieved before I think he could do a good job in the championship
 
CR17 said:
He's had a rough second stint with Chelsea and the end of his everton stint wasn't too good but with what he has achieved before I think he could do a good job in the championship
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Whats his style of play?

What he's done previously in terms of league positions and win percentages as I have already said are irrelevant. He just has no style of play.
 
SourPatch2 said:
Whats his style of play?

What he's done previously in terms of league positions and win percentages as I have already said are irrelevant. He just has no style of play.
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