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I think it’s more than obvious now that no one really knows anything that’s going on behind the scenes at the club. The only people that know is the media because the club briefs them. Personally I think it’s better that way
 
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alcoauth said:
Perceived is the key. The Mags hated Steve Bruce and loved Rafa, what they really loved was the profile and the fact he had been in charge of big clubs. People have been tricked into thinking foreign equals better.

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Roberto Di Matteo ie Bob Matthews
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:emoticon-0102-bigsm It's not people are being tricked.....if you look at the PL...only Howe and Moyes in the top 10 finishes....haven't done the rest,..but they're all foreign...O'Neil apart.... Wilder,Dyche,Edwards having spent most of the season really,really struggling. The facts speak for themselves.
 
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Because foreign coaches are perceived by many to be more successful.
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Perceived to be more knowledgeable and/or sophisticated. In some respects, this is true. There have been points in history where tactical orthodoxy has crept into the English game. The 1953 game against Hungary highlighting the fact we hadn't moved on, Herbert Chapman aside, since the turn of the 20th century. That hasn't been helped by the press. Despite the adoption of the WM formation by most clubs in the 1930s, British print publication still rendered lineups as the old fashioned 235 until the 1960s. Thereafter, despite many clubs not actually playing that way, lineups were often uniformly assumed to be 442. Nevertheless, English football remained someway behind continental football in certain respects. Look at the impact Arsene Wenger had in convincing players that necking 14 pints wasn't a suitable post-training warm down. So there is good reason for the assumption foreign coaches are more sophisticated and perhaps more dynamic than their stodgy English counterparts. In reality though, English coaching has moved on and there's no reason anymore that a foreign coach should be any more knowledgeable or capable than a British one.
 
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The Norton Cat said:
Perceived to be more knowledgeable and/or sophisticated. In some respects, this is true. There have been points in history where tactical orthodoxy has crept into the English game. The 1953 game against Hungary highlighting the fact we hadn't moved on, Herbert Chapman aside, since the turn of the 20th century. That hasn't been helped by the press. Despite the adoption of the WM formation by most clubs in the 1930s, British print publication still rendered lineups as the old fashioned 235 until the 1960s. Thereafter, despite many clubs not actually playing that way, lineups were often uniformly assumed to be 442. Nevertheless, English football remained someway behind continental football in certain respects. Look at the impact Arsene Wenger had in convincing players that necking 14 pints wasn't a suitable post-training warm down. So there is good reason for the assumption foreign coaches are more sophisticated and perhaps more dynamic than their stodgy English counterparts. In reality though, English coaching has moved on and there's no reason anymore that a foreign coach should be any more knowledgeable or capable than a British one.
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Completely agree marra.
 
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It's nixon but he just posted this
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Something that I picked up from the Hull fans' comments on Culinary's post over there is that Rosenior is very thorough when choosing clubs. Goes through everything and considers if the prospective club is the right choice. It would explain why it's going so slowly. Should he come, Rosenior would hopefully be starting in a better position than Neil or Mowbray due to longer due diligence and ensuring (as much as possible) that he, KLD and Speakman are on the same page.
 
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The Norton Cat said:
Perceived to be more knowledgeable and/or sophisticated. In some respects, this is true. There have been points in history where tactical orthodoxy has crept into the English game. The 1953 game against Hungary highlighting the fact we hadn't moved on, Herbert Chapman aside, since the turn of the 20th century. That hasn't been helped by the press. Despite the adoption of the WM formation by most clubs in the 1930s, British print publication still rendered lineups as the old fashioned 235 until the 1960s. Thereafter, despite many clubs not actually playing that way, lineups were often uniformly assumed to be 442. Nevertheless, English football remained someway behind continental football in certain respects. Look at the impact Arsene Wenger had in convincing players that necking 14 pints wasn't a suitable post-training warm down. So there is good reason for the assumption foreign coaches are more sophisticated and perhaps more dynamic than their stodgy English counterparts. In reality though, English coaching has moved on and there's no reason anymore that a foreign coach should be any more knowledgeable or capable than a British one.
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I think this is an accurate and fair assessment of the current state of play, however I still feel like British coaches are harmed by the negative stigma you are referring to, there was a time when the Premier League started to bring in lots of foreign coaches and at that time there was probably good reason for that, however coaching techniques in this country are amongst the best in the world now and British coaches still struggle to get roles at the top (and even when they get them, suffer quicker turn over consequences due to stigma) due to the afore mentioned stigma.
 
alcoauth said:
Perceived is the key. The Mags hated Steve Bruce and loved Rafa, what they really loved was the profile and the fact he had been in charge of big clubs.

People have been tricked into thinking foreign equals better.

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Roberto Di Matteo ie Bob Matthews
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I wouldn't say 'tricked' to be fair.

There's a few things that have been going on in my mind and I haven't yet joined the dots.

One is that football is becoming a multinational game which is why I wouldn't want someone like Heckingbottom who struggles with English. It's all very well not being able to speak other languages but it helps if your English is comprehensible and not strewn with clichés and slang. I lost a big chunk of my accent through fifteen years of living abroad. I was speaking, in my job, to all kinds of Europeans with varying degrees of English so spoke without an accent and avoided phrases like 'by the skin of my teeth'.. I've no idea how the likes of errr Rooney would errr cope.

I also wonder why we have so many foreign coaches while very few English go to work in Europe, there must be a reason.

And why don't English managers ever win the PL, there must be a reason for that as well.

As I say, I've not had time to think it all through but I don't feel I've been tricked tbh.
 
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AEP2002 said:
I think it’s more than obvious now that no one really knows anything that’s going on behind the scenes at the club. The only people that know is the media because the club briefs them. Personally I think it’s better that way
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Which is the way it should be. And I don’t think Nixon is their ‘go to’ journalist. Still doesn’t help us as supporters mind!
 
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We finished 16th in the championship last season, we are never going to get the perfect manager are we?

Jansen wasn’t the perfect manager but he seemed a good fit for us, Still wasn’t perfect, Mowbray wasn’t perfect but he was loved until the day he left, in fact there were meltdowns due to Mowbray being picked as manager.

I think some of our fans need to realise we aren’t going to get the perfect manager and every manager we get will have flaws, the same goes for the vast majority of clubs in the world.

If LR joins, get behind him and see what we he can do.
 
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alcoauth said:
I think this is an accurate and fair assessment of the current state of play, however I still feel like British coaches are harmed by the negative stigma you are referring to, there was a time when the Premier League started to bring in lots of foreign coaches and at that time there was probably good reason for that, however coaching techniques in this country are amongst the best in the world now and British coaches still struggle to get roles at the top (and even when they get them, suffer quicker turn over consequences due to stigma) due to the afore mentioned stigma.
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You're probably right...I don't know...but the increase of foreign ownership in our clubs may have also contributed to the lack of home-grown coaches?
 
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