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New Head Coach

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by FellTop, Nov 26, 2023.

  1. Grizzled Wanderer

    Grizzled Wanderer Well-Known Member

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    Coming up five or six weeks then. The reaction would be the same.

    It looks very much like they decided on Still in February without having a full commitment from him and then the idea that he might go somewhere else never crossed their minds. At which point looking at anyone else stopped. So when he goes elsewhere - who'd have thought he might have had other interest, eh, certainly not us - we're back at square one.

    If we get Jansen I'll be happy, but he's been available since January. If he was second or third choice we could have got him in much earlier than now if we'd considered the possibility we might not get Still.

    That's succession planning. A constant, ongoing process which there's been no evidence of since February.
     
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  2. Daz

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    Bilingual makes sense to me, plus British football is becoming more European with regards to head coaches, director of football and style of play.

    When I look at British managers it’s always the same names linked who are sitting on the manager merry go round. I’d rather have an overseas manager with potential than one of the usual suspects.
     
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  3. TopCat.

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    All that means is that people are lumping money on him.
     
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  4. Prehab26

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    Yes mate. You're correct. He will also tell you that I said why the still think fell through at the time. Even though, at points it looked done. Hope you're well anyway fella.
     
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  5. Grizzled Wanderer

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    The British managers almost always say 'yes I can work as a head coach in that structure' and then start whinging about not having enough control sooner or later. It's an easy excuse for failure.

    Get someone in who's worked in that system all his career.
     
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  6. AzAlkmaar

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    No problem, always good fun to talk about football.

    In terms of results a bit the same as Jansen. With a bit more attacking play and chances for players that didnt get them before. But also a few huge losses. Martens has the advantage of being a populair ex player, but there are also doubts. Its again (like Jansen) his first serious coaching job. We just gotta give him a fair chance now he has a full preseason to work with the team. He got to hope for a good transferwindow to replace Pavlidis. And we are hoping for the youth league guys to come through. Such a thin line balance between trusting the academy and buying experience of the market.
     
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  7. Prehab26

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    We can not afford it going into and over next weekend. Needs to be announced ASAP for me.
     
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    Who we thinking?
     
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  10. Southern A

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    yeh I said I wanted it by the end of this weekend but strangely KLDs statement had bought them an extra working week for me
     
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  11. JHmackem

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    Jansen ball sounds awful like, got to be honest. Might very well get us flying but this sounds so frustrating to watch. It’s everything we’ve hated in our own team this past season…slow and ponderous, sticking with players even when they’re not performing, relying on Clarke to get us out the ****.
     
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  12. Dunder Mifflin

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    Aye I know but it’s movement, odds shortening at this stage for him is a good thing.
     
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  13. Smug in Boots

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    No comment ...

    ... I've just highlighted the guesswork you're basing your entire argument on.
     
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  14. TopCat.

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    Why?
     
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    Disco down under Well-Known Member

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    Which sadistic bastard first said "No news is good news?"

    That's what I want to know. What a stupid saying.
     
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  16. Smug in Boots

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    I'd guess there's a fair amount of 'insider trading' in this racket.

    Agents, players, managers, staff and even rival bookies may well have the means to get a tip-off and cash in.

    Odds narrowing could be bookies protecting their profits ...

    ... or a meringue <laugh>
     
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  17. The Legendary Tongue

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    Ha ha he most likely wasn’t a football supporter.
     
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  18. Smug in Boots

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    Well it definitely wasn't this fella <laugh>

    please log in to view this image
     
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  19. MadMackem

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    To put money on somebody already at poor odds without any further public information suggests they have a good reason to make the bet.
    Little money to be made from 5/4 unless you were sure
     
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  20. Grizzled Wanderer

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    It's informed by what we know publicly.

    If you've got anything public that indicates it's all gone smooth as silk, now's the time.

    This is exactly the issue here - 'anything that doesn't agree with me is guesswork'

    A hundred and whatever days strongly suggests my guesswork is more likely than your guesswork.
     
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