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Nacho said:
I wonder how wedded he is to that style of play, he took over when they were in danger of relegation and it would have been foolish to attempt an expansive style of play, could be that he went with a pragmatic approach initially and intended to gradually move away from it. Got sacked for it but maybe the owner's a chump who doesn't know what's best.

If he took over at Arsenal (hypothetically) would he want them playing dull but effective football or would he be intelligent enough to recognise it doesn't suit them and adapt?

I'm also looking at him in comparison with Still and the other bloke whose name escapes me. People seem keen on them but it's based on very little. With Rosenior you've got a coach that you can be as confident as you can be that if you give him a decent team in the championship he'll have them in or around the playoffs.
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Owners generally speaking dont know enough to make informed judgements about coaches etc. It is why they have advisors, in a lot of cases anyway. I dont know much about the Hull owner but I know a few Hull fans who think it is a mind boggling decision. Rosenior seemed to be building something at Hull, and arguably he fell just short, but in a league with those 3 relegated teams and Ipswich is that so bad? Coaches these days dont get time. Lets see who they bring in next, but I wouldnt be surprised to see Rosenior get another crack at the championship.
 
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The way I look at it is do we go for someone young and exciting who’s going to bring a brand football that could do well both in the championship and premier league, or bring in someone boring who’s already well known and does a job at this level but will get twatted every week in the PL? I’d hate to be that club. I’d rather take a risk on a younger, lesser known manager who could potentially be great than go with a safe pair of average hands.
 
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Mackem-Tiz said:
I have a bad feeling about Will Still so hope it's not him. Way too risky imo.
I appreciate everyone is a gamble but he seems a bit cocky.
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Still has done well with the opportunities he's got. Every chance he's had to get into a leadership position he's taken and done well at. His 17-game winning streak at Reims is a Ligue One record.

But how well will he do in a long-term grind? Up to now his achievements have all been short term appointments.

Personally I'd like someone with a bit more experience, but if it pays off it'll be up there with Keane and Reid in the excitement stakes.
 
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WorkyTicketFTM said:
The way I look at it is do we go for someone young and exciting who’s going to bring a brand football that could do well both in the championship and premier league, or bring in someone boring who’s already well known and does a job at this level but will get twatted every week in the PL? I’d hate to be that club. I’d rather take a risk on a younger, lesser known manager who could potentially be great than go with a safe pair of average hands.
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Are there no well known coaches who can do a good job at this level and then do well in the premier league?
 
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FellTop said:
Owners generally speaking dont know enough to make informed judgements about coaches etc. It is why they have advisors, in a lot of cases anyway. I dont know much about the Hull owner but I know a few Hull fans who think it is a mind boggling decision. Rosenior seemed to be building something at Hull, and arguably he fell just short, but in a league with those 3 relegated teams and Ipswich is that so bad? Coaches these days dont get time. Lets see who they bring in next, but I wouldnt be surprised to see Rosenior get another crack at the championship.
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It's what concerns me about the 'KLD has taken control of the manager search' story that keeps being spread. If he's using advisors then thats fine, i'd still like to know who they are though so I can judge if I trust them.
 
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Grizzled Wanderer said:
I'm trying to think of the last one who stepped up having not been there before and then thrived in the PL. There's not many.
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That's because promoted sides usually struggle so managers are short-sightedly sacked. Managers appointed from Championship clubs usually go to sides that are already struggling and aren't given time to make a difference.

But- Thomas Frank.
 
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SAFC Wilks said:
The whole ITK thing bores me like.

If people post something that they’ve allegedly heard, then I take it with a pinch of salt. It may come true or it may not.

I’ll await club confirmation on appointments/signings, everything else is just speculation and isn’t to be completely relied on.
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Well indeed. As most of us do, but if there are ITK people who can shed light, their posts are most welcome
 
Phil Smith at the Echo seems to pretty definitively be saying that Maric is not in the running this time around:

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/spor...ent-plans-and-what-next-for-the-model-4620228

If right, I'm disappointed but in hindsight the links to it ever being Maric were all fairly tenuous and the denials (from the likes of Training Ground Guru) all felt like they had a bit more credibility. The only thing that counters that is the Dodds and him following eachother on social media thing but I still can't understand if that was already an established relationship or whether they were actually 'new follows'.
 
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WorkyTicketFTM said:
Who we could attract? Probably not. Maybe Scott Parker.
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I was thinking about who coaches seem not to get a shot at going from the championship to the prem. In the past coaches have shown they can step up. Parker would be on my list for sure. Others who have done it, but not on my list include Howe, Allardyce, ONiell, Rodgers, Moyes, Bruce. It just feels a bit like clubs now trust coaches from overseas a bit more to be a success.

From the championship I would be happy to give Robins, Corberan, Wagner, Mousinho, Rosenior, Tomasson a chance. I know not everyone will agree, all good, but I think all might be gettable and all might be grow with us to the prem.
 
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FellTop said:
I was thinking about who coaches seem not to get a shot at going from the championship to the prem. In the past coaches have shown they can step up. Parker would be on my list for sure. Others who have done it, but not on my list include Howe, Allardyce, ONiell, Rodgers, Moyes, Bruce. It just feels a bit like clubs now trust coaches from overseas a bit more to be a success.

From the championship I would be happy to give Robins, Corberan, Wagner, Mousinho, Rosenior, Tomasson a chance. I know not everyone will agree, all good, but I think all might be gettable and all might be grow with us to the prem.
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Corberan and Robins I agree, just don’t think we have a chance of getting them. Coventry will go big again this summer imo they’ll be right up there next season.
 
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