Match Day Thread Plymouth v Hull City

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I guess the initial reaction after the game was disappointment we could finish with a better performance. However, I think most would have taken 7th before the season kicked off.

I know there is the feeling we should have performed better at home, and if we had then things might have been different. However, all clubs will probably say the same, and had games that got away.

In the end, which is telling, all the teams bar ourselves, who were trying to get into the playoff places fell away, and we were the only team, with a chance of making the playoff's on the last day other than the ones already there.

As far as the game went, why we were so lacklustre is hard to put your finger on. Certainly Plymouth wanted it more than us, and made it difficult for us to find any rhythm, but we also looked lethargic and devoid of energy.

Nevertheless, I have really enjoyed the whole season, I have watch every game home and away, and considering the whole feel about the club compared to before Acun took over, it is in a far better place.

Wishing everybody connected with the club an enjoyable break and time to re-charge the batteries.
 
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Gone For A Walk said:
No bedwetting, panicking, whatever. Easy cliches to throw, easier than putting a coherent argument back.
It's just realism from me.
Looking at our squad, assuming Greaves and Philogene go, we are left with the following. Assume we keep Philogene even if you like:

Quality at 'serious promotion push' level:
Omur
Tufan
Seri (assuming he's got another season at that level in him - he'll be 33 in July)
Jones (arguably)

Decent squad / utility players:
Slater
Coyle

Pandur is a young kid we know nothing about. Huge assumption to believe he's the one.

Then we're left with players like S McC, Jacob, Allsop. I expect the rest will go if deals can be sorted, and if they stay we would hope not to be relying on them either as starters or from the bench, just as fillers in a 26 man squad. I don't see the younger ones being at a level to step in - players like Smith, Jarvis, Jones simply aren't going to make it for the level Acun aspires to.

You can't argue with the above, it is FACT. That's not a "foundation" or a "bedrock". It's a shambles. It's an absolutely massive rebuild ... again. It's like 15 players to bring in, of which something like 10 (maybe more) need to be at the level of those first 4. We haven't got any strikers, none!!

https://www.wearehullcity.co.uk/teams

This will be Roseniors FOURTH transfer window, yet he'll be starting from a base that is absolutely miles off. I'm not putting all the blame at his door either.

Rather than throw lazy insults, explain to me why I'm wrong (not panicking, not bedwetting, etc). I see the task this summer as absolutely huge, and if it's not done early, which it rarely if ever is, then we're once again playing catch up with near to a 1/3 of the season gone before we know where we are.
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It is a worry at this stage, which is why this season was a wasted opportunity and which is why we went balls deep to try and do it
 
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Geo10 said:
It is a worry at this stage,
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Agreed, however the club must have realised fairly early in this season that we would need a massive rebuild in either division we were going to end up in. (the Championship being the most likely). Hopefully, plans are in place for the rebuild, if not, life is going to get interesting. It's going to be a wild ride.
 
highpeak tiger said:
Agreed, however the club must have realised fairly early in this season that we would need a massive rebuild in either division we were going to end up in. (the Championship being the most likely). Hopefully, plans are in place for the rebuild, if not, life is going to get interesting. It's going to be a wild ride.
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But the pl would have made it easier to keep Morton, delap, Fabio maybe?
 
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Howdentiger2 said:
The sheff weds gaffer has completely changed the club top to bottom since he came in, I wouldn't be surprised to see them challenge next season. Imo he should have got manager of the season
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I can certainly see both Wednesday and QPR being dark horses for play-offs next year.
 
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People seem to think that we're going to start from scratch again next year but i genuinely don't think it's that bad?

Greaves is a huge loss and we obviously need to find a good replacement
Morton as well unless Arnie Slot machine doesn't see a place for him yet.
Giles, don't see any issue in finding a replacement who could offer what he has this year
Philo will stay i think
Zaroury - see Giles
Carvalho - think omur is his replacement really

So we've finished 7th on the final day after having no first choice striker for months and have to find 2 good players and 2 or 3 upper championship players to be where we were.

Our track record with treating loans well probably gives us a leg up in attaining the next Morton/Carvalho and the greaves money should replace him and most of the others.

Then a few depth options on the cheap and we're away!
 
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I’m guessing that come September 1st we’ll have 5 Premier League loanees at the club. Hopefully one or two that we’ve currently got but, regardless, our reputation as a good club to develop young Premier League talent could land us a couple more jems.

It’s impossible to say what our squad for next season will look like at the moment but I’d bet that it will include a fair smattering of players who currently none of us are mentioning.
 
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Gone For A Walk said:
No bedwetting, panicking, whatever. Easy cliches to throw, easier than putting a coherent argument back.
It's just realism from me.
Looking at our squad, assuming Greaves and Philogene go, we are left with the following. Assume we keep Philogene even if you like:

Quality at 'serious promotion push' level:
Omur
Tufan
Seri (assuming he's got another season at that level in him - he'll be 33 in July)
Jones (arguably)

Decent squad / utility players:
Slater
Coyle

Pandur is a young kid we know nothing about. Huge assumption to believe he's the one.

Then we're left with players like S McC, Jacob, Allsop. I expect the rest will go if deals can be sorted, and if they stay we would hope not to be relying on them either as starters or from the bench, just as fillers in a 26 man squad. I don't see the younger ones being at a level to step in - players like Smith, Jarvis, Jones simply aren't going to make it for the level Acun aspires to.

You can't argue with the above, it is FACT. That's not a "foundation" or a "bedrock". It's a shambles. It's an absolutely massive rebuild ... again. It's like 15 players to bring in, of which something like 10 (maybe more) need to be at the level of those first 4. We haven't got any strikers, none!!

https://www.wearehullcity.co.uk/teams

This will be Roseniors FOURTH transfer window, yet he'll be starting from a base that is absolutely miles off. I'm not putting all the blame at his door either.

Rather than throw lazy insults, explain to me why I'm wrong (not panicking, not bedwetting, etc). I see the task this summer as absolutely huge, and if it's not done early, which it rarely if ever is, then we're once again playing catch up with near to a 1/3 of the season gone before we know where we are.
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Moaning about next season’s squad, without any idea who’ll actually be in that squad, is completely pointless.

Not that it will stop you from posting it daily for the next three months. <laugh>
 
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originallambrettaman said:
Moaning about next season’s squad, without any idea who’ll actually be in that squad, is completely pointless.

Not that it will stop you from posting it daily for the next three months. <laugh>
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Just ignore it then or put it on ignore. Those that want to engage will, those that won’t, won’t. What we going to talk about on a football forum..diy?
The euros will be along soon
 
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originallambrettaman said:
Moaning about next season’s squad, without any idea who’ll actually be in that squad, is completely pointless.

Not that it will stop you from posting it daily for the next three months. <laugh>
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Not moaning, just posting opinion (based on facts) for debate on a message board. Others have managed to make constructive comments, maybe you should try too. <laugh>
 
Kalman said:
I can certainly see both Wednesday and QPR being dark horses for play-offs next year.
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Add in about a dozen others...off the top of me nogging......Portsmouth, Derby, Blunts, Luton, Burnley, Swansea, Millwall. The three playoff teams who don't get there. Plus two others...Bristol, Coventry..
 
Geo10 said:
Just ignore it then or put it on ignore. Those that want to engage will, those that won’t, won’t. What we going to talk about on a football forum..diy?
The euros will be along soon
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If someone’s going to post a constant stream of negativity, others are free to pull them up on it.
 
bradymk2 said:
just list the whole division lad
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It might be easier to list the potential strugglers: Blackburn (esp if they lose Szmodics) Plymouth, Cardiff. The team coming out of L1 playoffs. QPR, Watford. The likes of Leeds or Southampton if they have to sell to ease the wages expenditure. It will be very competitive again, come what may.
 
Gone For A Walk said:
Not moaning, just posting opinion (based on facts) for debate on a message board. Others have managed to make constructive comments, maybe you should try too. <laugh>
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Somebody said a while ago that reading posts wasn’t mandatory. Oh, that was OLM…
 
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