Neil injured ...

[Yorkie]

Based on very little -

https://www.besoccer.com/team/injuries-suspensions/sunderland-afc

Chuck Neil on the pile.

 

[Yorkie]

Chuck Neil on the pile - he has a niggle big deal. What a great record of fitness he has.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Interesting topic the amount of minutes played in a season. I am not sure it is a Sunderland specific thing, more a football wide thing. I think there is something in the argument they play too many games. And I suspect the law of averages, at least, means the more games you play the more you are likely to be injured.

As a coach, not a fitness expert, I think there are too many games at the professional level. I wonder how many other sports expect their elite athletes to play so many matches in a year, certainly in a contact sport. When there are international tournaments it becomes exagerrated further. As a coach I would prefer less games so I can coach players more. When you are in the midst of 2 games a week you will be lucky to get 2 sessions in that week where you can work at elite levels. Medical science requires a lot of recovery time between games. Your pre-season becomes doubly important. Beale was brought in at the worst possible time - no chance to coach.

Physiologically I would be surprised if less games would not be advantageous in terms of less injuries. Muscle fatigue must still be a thing in elite athletes. Perhaps more likely to lead to injuries is mental fatigue in elite players. That split second slower in the brain will lead to slower reactions on the pitch. I have watched games this season and have thought players in our team looked mentally fatigued - of course the sports science boys cant measure that. As a coach you can spot it though and you need to help players then by resting them. I would argue our squad is too lopsided to rest some players. Dan Neil is a prime example of a player we know is pivotal and we do not have anyone who can come in and give him a breather. Even 20 mins at the end of games. I am not suggesting he is exhausted, or that it has led to injury, or if he is even injured, all of that is conjecture. Where I do think the club have failed is in providing a viable option to cover, or push him.

Maybe prehab can give us a sense of whether we have medical side right. Where I think a lot of top clubs focus is prevention. I guess this is more for muscle injuries. I wonder whether more is possible in that space. I remember Ryan Giggs solving his hamstring issues with yoga.

The club will no doubt review this side of the operation in the summer. I am sure KLD/Speakman will want to know if we can get more of the squad on the pitch more of the time. No idea what the answer will be but has to be worth looking at if we want the elite club we all aspire to. When Dave Brailsford went into UK cycling he said he would make it 100% better, by improving 100 things by 1%. I like that mentality. As a club we need to look for every little thing we can improve, to get every tiny advantage possible. At the end of day something like an extra half a dozen games out of Cirkin next season may be the difference between promotion or not.

All very reasonable mate, it's a complicated area but I'm sure we're constantly evaluating players. I often hear about players being 'rushed back' after a knock but, in some cases, it makes sense.

A player out for a fortnight is still 'match fit enough' but it's a sliding scale imo ...

... the more weeks someone is 'rested' the more that key fitness wanes.

Clarke came on at 4-0 down specifically to test his fitness and prepare for the following games. Otherwise you're starting him in the next when it's more frenetic.

 

[Grizzled Wanderer]

Chuck Neil on the pile - he has a niggle big deal. What a great record of fitness he has.

Lots of players being injured at this time of the season could be written off as bad luck once.

It's not once though, exactly the same thing happened last season.

Why are people so desperate to avoid wondering why that might be.

 

[Yorkie]

Lots of players being injured at this time of the season could be written off as bad luck once.

It's not once though, exactly the same thing happened last season.

Why are people so desperate to avoid wondering why that might be.

People aren’t desperate to avoid wondering and there’s been some excellent level headed and considered posts about on here.

 

[LBW]

Lots of players being injured at this time of the season could be written off as bad luck once.

It's not once though, exactly the same thing happened last season.

Why are people so desperate to avoid wondering why that might be.

You seem more desperate to find something or someone at the club to moan about.
What’s next? Pre season schedule, summer transfer window, head coach choice ? I’m sure there’s something in amongst that lot you will take issue with.

 

[FellTop]

All very reasonable mate, it's a complicated area but I'm sure we're constantly evaluating players. I often hear about players being 'rushed back' after a knock but, in some cases, it makes sense.

A player out for a fortnight is still 'match fit enough' but it's a sliding scale imo ...

... the more weeks someone is 'rested' the more that key fitness wanes.

Clarke came on at 4-0 down specifically to test his fitness and prepare for the following games. Otherwise you're starting him in the next when it's more frenetic.

It is a very complicated area, I am sure. Way beyond my level of knowledge thats for sure. The human body, perhaps the most complicated thing on planet earth? All you can ever do, I suspect, is blend the best of science, with experienced coaches, and a lot of player honesty. Even then **** will happen I suppose.

If Bain brings that posh ice bath non of this would be happening

 

[Grizzled Wanderer]

You seem more desperate to find something or someone at the club to moan about.
What’s next? Pre season schedule, summer transfer window, head coach choice ? I’m sure there’s something in amongst that lot you will take issue with.

Depends what choices are made. Believe it or not, I'm easily pleased. Just make sensible decisions. It takes two to tango on transfers so it's not entirely on the club. We can all see what we need.

A better way to go than refusing to criticize no matter what and getting angry at those who do anything else.

If your team get lots of injuries at the same time every year, costing your team a shot at promotion for one of those years, do you -

a) try to discuss why, or

b) insist here's nothing wrong and start working yourself with anyone who disagrees with you.

 

[Yorkie]

Depends what choices are made. Believe it or not, I'm easily pleased. Just make sensible decisions. It takes two to tango on transfers so it's not entirely on the club. We can all see what we need.

A better way to go than refusing to criticize no matter what and getting angry at those who do anything else.

If your team get lots of injuries at the same time every year, costing your team a shot at promotion for one of those years, do you -

a) try to discuss why, or

b) insist here's nothing wrong and start working yourself with anyone who disagrees with you.

Try to discuss. Look back at your original posts. As I said, plenty of good discussion on here, just not from you.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Depends what choices are made. Believe it or not, I'm easily pleased. Just make sensible decisions. It takes two to tango on transfers so it's not entirely on the club. We can all see what we need.

A better way to go than refusing to criticize no matter what and getting angry at those who do anything else. If your team get lots of injuries at the same time every year, costing your team a shot at promotion for one of those years, do you -
a) try to discuss why, or
b) insist here's nothing wrong and start working yourself with anyone who disagrees with you.

The refusal to criticize your own side is what produces disasters like Corbyn and Truss.

''Oh dear, I've never been on here before, I don't know how all this works"



You're pathetic man, you really need to change your Spellcheck from American to English

 

[Grizzled Wanderer]

Try to discuss. Look back at your original posts. As I said, plenty of good discussion on here, just not from you.

You not wanting to hear it doesn't make it bad. Are you new to The Committee policing the board's acceptable opinions?

 

[Smug in Boots]

You not wanting to hear it doesn't make it bad. Are you new to The Committee policing the board's acceptable opinions?

It's the typical 'Committee Man' behaviour we've seen for decades in the north.

Little men leading even smaller lives pretending to be big men.

Capital 'C' every time ...

... dead giveaway

 

[Grizzled Wanderer]

Post by: The Exile II, Mar 19, 2023 in forum: Sunderland



''Oh dear, I've never been on here before, I don't know how all this works"



You're pathetic man, you really need to change your Spellcheck from American to English

This is getting a bit creepy now.

I too use words, it's an open and shut case when you're weirdly paranoid.

 

[Grizzled Wanderer]

Capital 'C' every time ...

... dead giveaway

And I'm the only person in history to have any problems with Committee Men.

Is there a tinfoil shortage in your village?

 

[Prehab26]

Interesting topic the amount of minutes played in a season. I am not sure it is a Sunderland specific thing, more a football wide thing. I think there is something in the argument they play too many games. And I suspect the law of averages, at least, means the more games you play the more you are likely to be injured.

As a coach, not a fitness expert, I think there are too many games at the professional level. I wonder how many other sports expect their elite athletes to play so many matches in a year, certainly in a contact sport. When there are international tournaments it becomes exagerrated further. As a coach I would prefer less games so I can coach players more. When you are in the midst of 2 games a week you will be lucky to get 2 sessions in that week where you can work at elite levels. Medical science requires a lot of recovery time between games. Your pre-season becomes doubly important. Beale was brought in at the worst possible time - no chance to coach.

Physiologically I would be surprised if less games would not be advantageous in terms of less injuries. Muscle fatigue must still be a thing in elite athletes. Perhaps more likely to lead to injuries is mental fatigue in elite players. That split second slower in the brain will lead to slower reactions on the pitch. I have watched games this season and have thought players in our team looked mentally fatigued - of course the sports science boys cant measure that. As a coach you can spot it though and you need to help players then by resting them. I would argue our squad is too lopsided to rest some players. Dan Neil is a prime example of a player we know is pivotal and we do not have anyone who can come in and give him a breather. Even 20 mins at the end of games. I am not suggesting he is exhausted, or that it has led to injury, or if he is even injured, all of that is conjecture. Where I do think the club have failed is in providing a viable option to cover, or push him.

Maybe prehab can give us a sense of whether we have medical side right. Where I think a lot of top clubs focus is prevention. I guess this is more for muscle injuries. I wonder whether more is possible in that space. I remember Ryan Giggs solving his hamstring issues with yoga.

The club will no doubt review this side of the operation in the summer. I am sure KLD/Speakman will want to know if we can get more of the squad on the pitch more of the time. No idea what the answer will be but has to be worth looking at if we want the elite club we all aspire to. When Dave Brailsford went into UK cycling he said he would make it 100% better, by improving 100 things by 1%. I like that mentality. As a club we need to look for every little thing we can improve, to get every tiny advantage possible. At the end of day something like an extra half a dozen games out of Cirkin next season may be the difference between promotion or not.

We don't have it right. I have said it many many times. That combined with a squad that is thin in quality in certain positions and buying young players who are not physiologically adapted to the robustness of the championship equals our current injury record.

 

[Smug in Boots]

This is getting a bit creepy now.

I too use words, it's an open and shut case when you're weirdly paranoid.

And I'm the only person in history to have any problems with Committee Men.

Is there a tinfoil shortage in your village?

You and Exile are the only posters to have ever spelled 'criticise' with a z and committee with a capital 'C' ...

... you were sussed on the first day you posted man

 

[Grizzled Wanderer]

You and Exile are the only posters to have ever spelled 'criticise' with a z and committee with a capital 'C' ...

... you were sussed on the first day you posted man

Ever?

Look at what you're posting. You're like the bloke off Always Sunny with the string all over the board, wild eyed and raving about someone who doesn't look like they're here any more

No more dopamine for you tonight.

 

[LBW]

Depends what choices are made. Believe it or not, I'm easily pleased. Just make sensible decisions. It takes two to tango on transfers so it's not entirely on the club. We can all see what we need.

A better way to go than refusing to criticize no matter what and getting angry at those who do anything else.

If your team get lots of injuries at the same time every year, costing your team a shot at promotion for one of those years, do you -

a) try to discuss why, or

b) insist here's nothing wrong and start working yourself with anyone who disagrees with you.

Check all my posts if you wish, rarely will you ever see me engage in tit for tat arguments with someone who disagrees with me if ever!
I love my club and will defend it when under attack from anyone, I’ll also criticise when it’s deserved but your another level, not a chance are you a Sunderland supporter.
You’ve been sussed, crack on, I’m done engaging with you.

 

[SourPatch2]

We don't have it right. I have said it many many times. That combined with a squad that is thin in quality in certain positions and buying young players who are not physiologically adapted to the robustness of the championship equals our current injury record.

Just don't think this is true at all really. Look around the championship. Our injuries in the last 2 years have been to players young, old, players inexperienced to the championship and championship regulars. We aren't the most injured team right now, look at Boro for example, their injury list is pretty exclusively mid 20s championship experienced players.

Our rehab is poor, looking specifically at Alese and Cirkin there.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Ever?

Look at what you're posting. You're like the bloke off Always Sunny with the string all over the board, wild eyed and raving about someone who doesn't look like they're here any more

No more dopamine for you tonight.

Grizzled Wanderer, post:

Why would I try to set people against each other? There's no vacancy there by the looks of it. It's very well filled by you.

Last bit of dopamine you get from me. Enjoy your evening.