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SourPatch2 said:
Majority of the injuries we've had this season have came within games.

Neil has not been burnt out this season, in fact nobody has to the point of injury.
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We have had a lot of injuries though mind,regardless of where they have occurred. It's crossed our collective minds on here more than once.
I can't say whether it's pure bad luck,not up to standard preparation,players playing too many matches or what,but it can't be ignored.
 
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Brainy Dose said:
We have had a lot of injuries though mind,regardless of where they have occurred. It's crossed our collective minds on here more than once.
I can't say whether it's pure bad luck,not up to standard preparation,players playing too many matches or what,but it can't be ignored.
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To be fair you'd expect a top half PL club to have good coaches, etc ...

... yet Newcastle claim they've had the most injuries since football began.
 
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Brainy Dose said:
Wouldn't disagree,but can it be put down to sheer bad luck?
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Match prep, rehabilitation and the way we handle actual injuries more than likely. I don't like the way we handled Alese rushing him back and effectively ruling him out for the majority of this season. Cirkins current injury is a reoccurrence as well isn't it? That felt a bit rushed also. Then you have Clarke coming on needlessly at 4-0 down I think it was, you are just asking for him to be injured.
 
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Yorkie said:
Don’t care who you are, I just don’t like the endless cr@p
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Criticism where it's justified is how we improve. If someone at the club isn't asking the right questions (or, 'being endlessly negative' as it's called here), then we'll have the same issues next year.

When you have a relatively small squad of young players, half of whom are still growing, you have to monitor them properly.
 
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SourPatch2 said:
Match prep, rehabilitation and the way we handle actual injuries more than likely. I don't like the way we handled Alese rushing him back and effectively ruling him out for the majority of this season. Cirkins current injury is a reoccurrence as well isn't it? That felt a bit rushed also. Then you have Clarke coming on needlessly at 4-0 down I think it was, you are just asking for him to be injured.
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It was Interesting to see how lively they were after the last international break.
 
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Chunksafc said:
Shame for Neil if he is injured, hopefully nothing serious.

He has had a hell of a season and really is maturing into a very good player.

Gives him the summer to get back to fitness and hit the ground running next season
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Yep,he's been excellent,and,those who harp on about the perceived lack of experience in our young squad, even at his young age,Dan now has lots of experience.
From the L1 side,now two years in the Championship testifies to the experience he and others will have gained.
There are those who constantly bemoan the lack of experience in our squad. In this next window, our injured players back,proper consistent coaching and a ready striker,is all we really need.
 
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Brainy Dose said:
Yep,he's been excellent,and,those who harp on about the perceived lack of experience in our young squad, even at his young age,Dan now has lots of experience.
From the L1 side,now two years in the Championship testifies to the experience he and others will have gained.
There are those who constantly bemoan the lack of experience in our squad. In this next window, our injured players back,proper consistent coaching and a ready striker,is all we really need.
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I agree about Neil, he really is the heartbeat of the team.

As for next season, it's going to be an interesting summer that's for sure
 
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Grizzled Wanderer said:
Criticism where it's justified is how we improve. If someone at the club isn't asking the right questions (or, 'being endlessly negative' as it's called here), then we'll have the same issues next year.

When you have a relatively small squad of young players, half of whom are still growing, you have to monitor them properly.
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<laugh>

Only in your mind, who listens to the likes of you posting guesswork as analysis, you're delusional.

Yorkie said:
Don’t care who you are, I just don’t like the endless cr@p
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He was exactly the same as when he was 'Exile'. It's all digging away at the club but never bothering to go to games, same arrogant phrases and a weird craving to provoke arguments ...

... then, of course, playing the victim and acting the innocent.

He really believes he's fooling everyone but it's only himself.
 
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Grizzled Wanderer said:
Criticism where it's justified is how we improve. If someone at the club isn't asking the right questions (or, 'being endlessly negative' as it's called here), then we'll have the same issues next year.

When you have a relatively small squad of young players, half of whom are still growing, you have to monitor them properly.
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Constructive criticism is great. Snidey digs based on very little are tedious.
 
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Interesting topic the amount of minutes played in a season. I am not sure it is a Sunderland specific thing, more a football wide thing. I think there is something in the argument they play too many games. And I suspect the law of averages, at least, means the more games you play the more you are likely to be injured.

As a coach, not a fitness expert, I think there are too many games at the professional level. I wonder how many other sports expect their elite athletes to play so many matches in a year, certainly in a contact sport. When there are international tournaments it becomes exagerrated further. As a coach I would prefer less games so I can coach players more. When you are in the midst of 2 games a week you will be lucky to get 2 sessions in that week where you can work at elite levels. Medical science requires a lot of recovery time between games. Your pre-season becomes doubly important. Beale was brought in at the worst possible time - no chance to coach.

Physiologically I would be surprised if less games would not be advantageous in terms of less injuries. Muscle fatigue must still be a thing in elite athletes. Perhaps more likely to lead to injuries is mental fatigue in elite players. That split second slower in the brain will lead to slower reactions on the pitch. I have watched games this season and have thought players in our team looked mentally fatigued - of course the sports science boys cant measure that. As a coach you can spot it though and you need to help players then by resting them. I would argue our squad is too lopsided to rest some players. Dan Neil is a prime example of a player we know is pivotal and we do not have anyone who can come in and give him a breather. Even 20 mins at the end of games. I am not suggesting he is exhausted, or that it has led to injury, or if he is even injured, all of that is conjecture. Where I do think the club have failed is in providing a viable option to cover, or push him.

Maybe prehab can give us a sense of whether we have medical side right. Where I think a lot of top clubs focus is prevention. I guess this is more for muscle injuries. I wonder whether more is possible in that space. I remember Ryan Giggs solving his hamstring issues with yoga.

The club will no doubt review this side of the operation in the summer. I am sure KLD/Speakman will want to know if we can get more of the squad on the pitch more of the time. No idea what the answer will be but has to be worth looking at if we want the elite club we all aspire to. When Dave Brailsford went into UK cycling he said he would make it 100% better, by improving 100 things by 1%. I like that mentality. As a club we need to look for every little thing we can improve, to get every tiny advantage possible. At the end of day something like an extra half a dozen games out of Cirkin next season may be the difference between promotion or not.
 
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Can’t be arsed to quote your posts back at you but you know you jumped to assumptions about Dan Neil’s injury and you know you’re having snidely digs. Feltop’s post above however is well thought out and constructive. As I said before I don’t know who you are but you act like a young stroppy teenager.
 
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