Off Topic Politics Thread

[It'sOnlyAGame]

My point again is on here it is assumed that:

There are only rich Tories
There are only corrupt Tories
There are only immoral Tories.

There are, but taking a step back, there are also rich Labour, there are also corrupt Labour and there are immoral Labour. The degrees of these are not relevant and it doesn't make it less bad if the Tories have done it worse.

That said, in this case it is IMO nothing. And I don't put her in any of the above categories.

It may be difficult to punish her without it being deemed prejudicial, but I would say the same on here with anyone who dares to be a Tory. Guilty immediately.

I am not making excuses, but this forum is so prejudiced and left leaning that it is a bit funny sometimes.

It's more than funny, it's hilarious. You put up a post saying the majority on here have a biased attitude and immediately 5 different posters come on to defend the Labour MP.

 

[StJabbo1]

It's more than funny, it's hilarious. You put up a post saying the majority on here have a biased attitude and immediately 5 different posters come on to defend the Labour MP.

Or put the allegations into some sort of perspective.

 

[The Ides of March]

My point again is on here it is assumed that:

There are only rich Tories
There are only corrupt Tories
There are only immoral Tories.

There are, but taking a step back, there are also rich Labour, there are also corrupt Labour and there are immoral Labour. The degrees of these are not relevant and it doesn't make it less bad if the Tories have done it worse.

That said, in this case it is IMO nothing. And I don't put her in any of the above categories.

It may be difficult to punish her without it being deemed prejudicial, but I would say the same on here with anyone who dares to be a Tory. Guilty immediately.

I am not making excuses, but this forum is so prejudiced and left leaning that it is a bit funny sometimes.

Is that because the Tories have completely lost their way since Cameron became leader? No direction, little intellect, ill-thought out policies? I think that is why many on here are so critical. Whatever oñe thought of Thatcher, her Governments had a clear visión of the direction they were taking. (I am no fan of Thatcher.by the way) but there was leadership and direction with her!

 

[thereisonlyoneno7]

Is that because the Tories have completely lost their way since Cameron became leader? No direction, little intellect, ill-thought out policies? I think that is why many on here are so critical. Whatever oñe thought of Thatcher, her Governments had a clear visión of the direction they were taking. (I am no fan of Thatcher.by the way) but there was leadership and direction with her!

I get what you are saying. But look above there are posts of

Rich Tories
Tories with second homes
Tories with kids at school in London but live elsewhere.

You can be rich and not a Tory, you can have two homes and not be a Tory. I could go on.

 

[The Ides of March]

Harold Wilson had two homes! Roy Jenkins two homes plus a vineyard!!

 

[StJabbo1]

Harold Wilson had two homes! Roy Jenkins two homes plus a vineyard!!

Harold had a bit on the side to.

 

[AberdeenSaint]

It is mud slinging. It has now being formally investigated by the police who will deem the legality of what was done at least 10 years ago. Not much to say until they report back. One thing I am sure of it is not worth the cost, both financially for the state, and the moral hypocrisy in Tory ministers like Grant Schapps jumping onto Mail headlines.

This

 

[It'sOnlyAGame]

Or put the allegations into some sort of perspective.

Who's perspective would that be? But anyway you've missed the point again.

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

Or put the allegations into some sort of perspective.

Sort of, though it's a perspective that wouldn't be afforded to a Tory MP in the same situation.

 

[StJabbo1]

Who's perspective would that be? But anyway you've missed the point again.

What was that point exactly?

 

[StJabbo1]

Sort of, though it's a perspective that wouldn't be afforded to a Tory MP in the same situation.

Tory MPs aren't in the same situation.

 

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So much strawmannery here yet again. We can’t comment on this case - which very much looks like bullshit - because we are more critical of Tory misdemeanours? Point us to one as shallow as this accusation and let’s see the truth of this.

I agree all MPs should be held accountable. It is interesting that both Starmer and Rayner have put their jobs on the line to back up their innocence. This is starkly different to a Tory party where the PM was found to have acted unlawfully and to have lied- yet not stepped down.

I am not a fan of Starmer but it is obvious that Labour are up against a very uneven playing field and have to be impeccable in their actions to get elected. The fact some are trying to make out this Raynor thing is in any way comparable to Tory behaviour over the last 5 years is just proof that too few people can see basic truths.

 

[garysfc]

Pay them all a going rate & eliminate ALL other revenue streams. Step out of line & dispose.

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

So much strawmannery here yet again. We can’t comment on this case - which very much looks like bullshit - because we are more critical of Tory misdemeanours? Point us to one as shallow as this accusation and let’s see the truth of this.

I agree all MPs should be held accountable. It is interesting that both Starmer and Rayner have put their jobs on the line to back up their innocence. This is starkly different to a Tory party where the PM was found to have acted unlawfully and to have lied- yet not stepped down.

I am not a fan of Starmer but it is obvious that Labour are up against a very uneven playing field and have to be impeccable in their actions to get elected. The fact some are trying to make out this Raynor thing is in any way comparable to Tory behaviour over the last 5 years is just proof that too few people can see basic truths.

I don't think anyone is saying that the Raynor thing is comparable to Tory behaviour in the last five years. Merely that people are generally (not just on here) quite...biased...and weighted in their responses. The sword is sharper for the side you don't like.

 

[Archers Road]

The sum is allegedly £1,500, she says she has done nothing wrong.
She has the full backing of Keir, but don’t forget this is being driven by the Mail on Sunday.
It will be interesting to see what the police investigation turns up if anything.

It would also be interesting to be a fly on the wall at the next agm of the Manchester Masonic Lodge

 

[St. Luigi Scrosoppi]

Confirmed my point above - is it only Tories that have second homes, or are there any Labour MPs? Are there only Tories that say they live in the country, but their kids go to school in London.

The narrative on here is always that it is ONLY the Tories that do this and that. It really isn't. Both sides do. Degree of wrong is irrelevant. Wrong is wrong. You can't assume it isn't just because it is your side.

But but Tories are really nasty. Would you invite Cruella for supper? Not on your life. I I would however love to sit down to supper with Angela.

 

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I don't think anyone is saying that the Raynor thing is comparable to Tory behaviour in the last five years. Merely that people are generally (not just on here) quite...biased...and weighted in their responses. The sword is sharper for the side you don't like.

That point only works if the accusations are comparable. Is it biased to see someone who has potentially gained a small sum but is willing to stake her career on her own honesty differently to someone who has made a large sum and then refused to step down? I think it is quite normal to see these differently - and not a reflection of bias at all.

There are still a couple of decent tories - even though the party was taken over by Brexit candidates. Every person gets judged on their own actions and character.

 

[St. Luigi Scrosoppi]

My point was it would be interesting to see where many MPs register to vote and where they declare they live for their expenses.

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

That point only works if the accusations are comparable. Is it biased to see someone who has potentially gained a small sum but is willing to stake her career on her own honesty differently to someone who has made a large sum and then refused to step down? I think it is quite normal to see these differently - and not a reflection of bias at all.

There are still a couple of decent tories - even though the party was taken over by Brexit candidates. Every person gets judged on their own actions and character.

Oh in this instance, I think the whole thing is embarrassing and ridiculous, and once more the more slavering section of the Tory party is making an arse of themselves.

I’m just not entirely sure everyone really gets judged on their actions and character, without that getting stained by who they represent in the larger picture. But that’s human nature, I guess.

 

[St. Luigi Scrosoppi]

My MP is Caroline Noakes for whom I have a great deal of respect and will hear nothing said against her. Sadly the rest of this current bunch of Tory Party incumbents seem intent on bleeding the country dry and **** the electorate.