New Head Coach

[OldNewtown]

Ancelotti has won titles in all 5 major European countries amongst many other domestic and European competitions.. Mourinho has also won plenty whether you like his style or not he’s a winner. Good managers take their own staff with them because they’ll have their own responsibilities and roles within the set up so they can hit the ground running and know what to expect of each other.

As I’ve already said does anyone think Villa would be where they are had Emery not came with his own team and continued to work with the previous coaching staff that had them languishing just above the relegation places? If you had something that was completely underperforming you wouldn’t just change the module that tells it what to do you’d change the components that are failing too.

And yet they haven't settled anywhere !
Granted sometimes they moved of their own accord but other times there tenure just ran it's course and they were moved on. Once gone there was a rebuilding job to be done by the next coach.
No argument about being winners but quite often it was done with the help of a cheque book, strangely enough once they had established their reputation.
Do we want a couple of seasons of success and then revert to type or do we want to build something that lasts.
Anyway I digress.
We are looking for a young up and coming coach apparently, that being the case they probably only have an assistant, or at most two, at this stage of their career and they should be easily accommodated.

 

[The Norton Cat]

Ancelotti has won titles in all 5 major European countries amongst many other domestic and European competitions.. Mourinho has also won plenty whether you like his style or not he’s a winner. Good managers take their own staff with them because they’ll have their own responsibilities and roles within the set up so they can hit the ground running and know what to expect of each other.

As I’ve already said does anyone think Villa would be where they are had Emery not came with his own team and continued to work with the previous coaching staff that had them languishing just above the relegation places? If you had something that was completely underperforming you wouldn’t just change the module that tells it what to do you’d change the components that are failing too.

If you look at most clubs in the Premier League, their coaching staff are a mixture of people that were already there and people that have come in with the manager. That includes Villa.
At Spurs, Ange has four assistants. One was in post months before Ange was appointed, one was promoted from within when Ange arrived, two were appointed from other clubs but neither came from Celtic.
At Palace, Glasner has retained Dean Kiely and Paddy McCarthy as well as bringing in his own people.
As Ancelotti is being used as an example, he inherited Duncan Ferguson when he arrived at Everton. In his current Madrid stint, there are some staff that were there when he arrived and others who didn't come as part of a package with him and his son.
While it's true that some managers/head coaches want to bring a large staff with them, it's also not unusual for a variety of coaching staff to stay at one club and work under different managers.

 

[rooch 3]

I heard a rumour that Mowbray Mowbray knew he wasn't well when he came here and worse when he went to Birmingham ...

... TBF it was me that started the rumour but there's no smoke without fire.

No wonder we can’t afford anyone yet if we have to pay off two of the buggers off

 

[Grizzled Wanderer]

If you look at most clubs in the Premier League, their coaching staff are a mixture of people that were already there and people that have come in with the manager. That includes Villa.
At Spurs, Ange has four assistants. One was in post months before Ange was appointed, one was promoted from within when Ange arrived, two were appointed from other clubs but neither came from Celtic.
At Palace, Glasner has retained Dean Kiely and Paddy McCarthy as well as bringing in his own people.
As Ancelotti is being used as an example, he inherited Duncan Ferguson when he arrived at Everton. In his current Madrid stint, there are some staff that were there when he arrived and others who didn't come as part of a package with him and his son.
While it's true that some managers/head coaches want to bring a large staff with them, it's also not unusual for a variety of coaching staff to stay at one club and work under different managers.

Although - would you like to tell Duncan Ferguson he's sacked?

 

[FellTop]

I think if you look at Klopp and Pep and even Arteta you can see the innovative way they set up with a high press and quick tempo phases of play and how they have the whole club and not just the whole team buying into what they are trying to achieve, they are not all exactly the same but it is interesting to watch how they manipulate formations and tactics abd instill confidence. then look at teams like Brighton and Brentford who try and accommodate these principles but with maybe slightly less quality and still tend to out perform teams with more resources. Of English managers probably the bet examples would be Potter and (he who shall not be named as he manages up the road) another fella.
However if you look at the England manager (Southgate) he is definitely more defensive minded and not confident of his own squads ability to attack and kill teams of so he openly admits that he sets up defensively as historically more major tournaments have been won by teams with a defensive mindset. Problem with that is football has evolved and he is being left behind IMO. The Euro final against Italy for me really proved that. Had Klopp or Pep been in charge of that team there is no way we score 1 and then try and sit on that lead.
I think my point is we as a club need to innovate and not follow tried and tested formula's, we need to grow and we need new ideas even if it is a risk I think it is a risk worth taking.

Good post mate, and a good debate. I am not against having a foreign coach at all, just that I think there is an unbalanced view of how good they are, and how poor UK based coaches are.

I think we have some outstanding coaches in this country. Howe and Potter you have mentioned are elite level. Potter just turned down Ajax, now you are not being offered Ajax without being elite level. I think the likes of ONiel is doing an outstanding job at Wolves, brilliant. Edwards has Luton really competitive. You have to also credit Moyes for his job at West Ham. Russell Martin is excellent in my opinion, Robins is superb. Obviously McKenna is the brightest UK manager in the championship, but I am really interested in watching a couple of others like Mousinho at Pompey and Manning at Bristol City. Then there are some exceptional assistants, like Ryan Mason, who was mentioned earlier. Most of these are innovative, forward thinking and on a par with European counter parts.

On the innovation side of things I am not convinced the likes of Klopp or Pep have changed much tbh. They produce fantastic football teams that I love watching. But I havent really seen tactics I havent seen before. Klopp is perhaps the best I have seen at it, and got players in with that in mind, but it wasnt really new for me.

I dont know how much folk watch South American football. I watch bits and pieces and it is very high quality. On a par with much of European knock out football, barring say last 8 of champs league. Some of the coaches out there are really impressive in how they setup and change mid games. We arent linked with any from there which is a bit odd maybe. Anyway, I am with you on wanting a fresh approach and to try and be inventive. I do think though we could do that from any part of the world. Warnock for me!

 

[Brainy Dose]

Good post mate, and a good debate. I am not against having a foreign coach at all, just that I think there is an unbalanced view of how good they are, and how poor UK based coaches are.

I think we have some outstanding coaches in this country. Howe and Potter you have mentioned are elite level. Potter just turned down Ajax, now you are not being offered Ajax without being elite level. I think the likes of ONiel is doing an outstanding job at Wolves, brilliant. Edwards has Luton really competitive. You have to also credit Moyes for his job at West Ham. Russell Martin is excellent in my opinion, Robins is superb. Obviously McKenna is the brightest UK manager in the championship, but I am really interested in watching a couple of others like Mousinho at Pompey and Manning at Bristol City. Then there are some exceptional assistants, like Ryan Mason, who was mentioned earlier. Most of these are innovative, forward thinking and on a par with European counter parts.

On the innovation side of things I am not convinced the likes of Klopp or Pep have changed much tbh. They produce fantastic football teams that I love watching. But I havent really seen tactics I havent seen before. Klopp is perhaps the best I have seen at it, and got players in with that in mind, but it wasnt really new for me.

I dont know how much folk watch South American football. I watch bits and pieces and it is very high quality. On a par with much of European knock out football, barring say last 8 of champs league. Some of the coaches out there are really impressive in how they setup and change mid games. We arent linked with any from there which is a bit odd maybe. Anyway, I am with you on wanting a fresh approach and to try and be inventive. I do think though we could do that from any part of the world. Warnock for me!

Enjoyed reading that mate....apart from the last 3 words!

 

[Smug in Boots]

Good post mate, and a good debate. I am not against having a foreign coach at all, just that I think there is an unbalanced view of how good they are, and how poor UK based coaches are.

I think we have some outstanding coaches in this country. Howe and Potter you have mentioned are elite level. Potter just turned down Ajax, now you are not being offered Ajax without being elite level. I think the likes of ONiel is doing an outstanding job at Wolves, brilliant. Edwards has Luton really competitive. You have to also credit Moyes for his job at West Ham. Russell Martin is excellent in my opinion, Robins is superb. Obviously McKenna is the brightest UK manager in the championship, but I am really interested in watching a couple of others like Mousinho at Pompey and Manning at Bristol City. Then there are some exceptional assistants, like Ryan Mason, who was mentioned earlier. Most of these are innovative, forward thinking and on a par with European counter parts.

On the innovation side of things I am not convinced the likes of Klopp or Pep have changed much tbh. They produce fantastic football teams that I love watching. But I havent really seen tactics I havent seen before. Klopp is perhaps the best I have seen at it, and got players in with that in mind, but it wasnt really new for me.

I dont know how much folk watch South American football. I watch bits and pieces and it is very high quality. On a par with much of European knock out football, barring say last 8 of champs league. Some of the coaches out there are really impressive in how they setup and change mid games. We arent linked with any from there which is a bit odd maybe. Anyway, I am with you on wanting a fresh approach and to try and be inventive. I do think though we could do that from any part of the world. Warnock for me!

I'd agree with a lot of that but, have to say, Manning didnt impress me on Saturday. Bristol looked like a 'keep it tight and let's try and nick it at the death' outfit, not the kind of football I enjoy.

Birmingham and Huddersfield have scored more goals this season.

 

[Smug in Boots]

If you look at most clubs in the Premier League, their coaching staff are a mixture of people that were already there and people that have come in with the manager. That includes Villa.
At Spurs, Ange has four assistants. One was in post months before Ange was appointed, one was promoted from within when Ange arrived, two were appointed from other clubs but neither came from Celtic.
At Palace, Glasner has retained Dean Kiely and Paddy McCarthy as well as bringing in his own people.
As Ancelotti is being used as an example, he inherited Duncan Ferguson when he arrived at Everton. In his current Madrid stint, there are some staff that were there when he arrived and others who didn't come as part of a package with him and his son.
While it's true that some managers/head coaches want to bring a large staff with them, it's also not unusual for a variety of coaching staff to stay at one club and work under different managers.

I really wouldn't be thrilled with Heckingbottom, Stuart McCall, Jack Lester and more of that deepest Yorkshire clique ...

... we might battle our way to the PL but would just be the next Sheff Utd imo.

 

[TopCat.]

I lived in France for years and grew tired of hearing other long term exiles ordering drinks and meals in English. That's what worries me about the likes of Heckingbottom/Wilder/Mowbray as they seem to operate in quite a small world.

We won't attract the likes of Diallo if they think they might feel uncomfortable imo.

Mogga did ok...

...but I take your point

 

[Smug in Boots]

Mogga did ok...

...but I take your point

I liked him and found his press conferences interesting at first. But he seemed uncomfortable around young foreign lads with a bit of dress sense

 

[Pure River Slut]

I really wouldn't be thrilled with Heckingbottom, Stuart McCall, Jack Lester and more of that deepest Yorkshire clique ...

... we might battle our way to the PL but would just be the next Sheff Utd imo.

Nixon has clearly been talking to someone South Yorkshire based. He only mentioned the former Sheffield Utd and current Sheff Wed manager. Not sure he wasn’t just trying to get a few clicks. I’d be very surprising was Hecky. Doesn’t seem the right fit.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Nixon has clearly been talking to someone South Yorkshire based. He only mentioned the former Sheffield Utd and current Sheff Wed manager. Not sure he wasn’t just trying to get a few clicks. I’d be very surprising was Hecky. Doesn’t seem the right fit.

Heckingbottom needs a job so you'd think he's talking to the media as much as possible ...

... I just don't believe he's our number one target.

If he was he'd be here now imo.

 

[The Norton Cat]

I really wouldn't be thrilled with Heckingbottom, Stuart McCall, Jack Lester and more of that deepest Yorkshire clique ...

... we might battle our way to the PL but would just be the next Sheff Utd imo.

I can't say I've made my mind up about Heckingbottom. The rational part of me recognises he's a good coach and acknowledges the public perception of football managers/coaches doesn't always match the reality. Part of me wants someone more exotic than Heckingbottom.
Either way, I don't think it will be him. I think I know who the club wants. Whether they can get him or not, who knows.

 

[Brainy Dose]

Heckingbottom needs a job so you'd think he's talking to the media as much as possible ...

... I just don't believe he's our number one target.

If he was he'd be here now imo.

This. If PH was the man,he'd have been appointed by now. I think we're after someone else,who's currently employed.

 

[Smug in Boots]

This. If PH was the man,he'd have been appointed by now. I think we're after someone else,who's currently employed.

There's a rumour that interviews of those shortlisted are taking place in London this week.

 

[Hudson92]

There's a rumour that interviews of those shortlisted are taking place in London this week.

Does this mean people will start stalking KLDs private jet again? I’ve missed this

 

[Brainy Dose]

There's a rumour that interviews of those shortlisted are taking place in London this week.

As you say,a rumour. I'd like to think.....and I'm not really sure why.....that they would have identified who they want,after extensive due diligence,and be saying he's our man and going for him.
Conducting interviews from a shortlist doesn't seem to me to indicate we are absolutely sure of our preferred choice.
Of course,I'm not in the know,so I may be out of common sense.

 

[SAFC Wilks]

There's a rumour that interviews of those shortlisted are taking place in London this week.

You would think Rohl wouldn’t be one of those as he’d be focusing on keeping Sheff Wed up, unless he has an agent representation we can interview but I don’t see the point in that.

 

[rooch 3]

As you say,a rumour. I'd like to think.....and I'm not really sure why.....that they would have identified who they want,after extensive due diligence,and be saying he's our man and going for him.
Conducting interviews from a shortlist doesn't seem to me to indicate we are absolutely sure of our preferred choice.
Of course,I'm not in the know,so I may be out of common sense.

Why do we not advertise the job, at least we would get applications first from people who want to come, not people who we are begging?

 

[Smug in Boots]

Why do we not advertise the job, at least we would get applications first from people who want to come, not people who we are begging?

People will be begging us, we're a very good club.