Match Day Thread Leeds v Hull City

[bradymk2]

There does seem to be something wrong with him. When he's been in form this season he's so instinctive, and his end product whilst in that mode is so good. Lately he's incredibly hesitant every time he gets the ball and looks really short of confidence. He never seems to get up to a sprint. I think his form lately has been as much of an issue as missing Delap has.

is that his ability though?
the best players are consistent
every player is capable of a world class performance

what i mean is, he has talent, but will it ever be consistent enough to be a prem player?

 

[Shark Sports]

This.

Slater made one mistake all night. Allsop's mistake was doing what his Manager told him to.

Philogene made about 20 more mistakes than either, but it's Slater's & Allsop's job to clean up after his ****.


Also, when Sky pick a M.O.T.M. are they contractually obligated to pick a home team player who was not much better than Philogene.
Lewis Coyle was clearly the winner by some distance.

I really wasn't a Coyle fan to begin with but the last 18 months he's fantastic. He looked really good tonight at CB, dealt with everything well defensively, positionally was good, looked good on the ball (not something I'd usually say) and loved how he drove forward and supported attacks too.

 

[Tony Angelino]

Even near the end we were passing the ball about from player to player in our own half as if we werent losing.

There was a group near us, every time we had the ball they shouted “Allsops free”, “pass to Allsop”
It was funny at first but it’s getting to be the way we play

 

[bradymk2]

Think you’re by far the best team we’ve played this season, we’ve only deserved to definitely lose two games this season, Southampton (and we did) and tonight.

The difference tonight we were at home, I don’t know if we were poor or you made us look worse than we were. Either way, you’re better than the 4 teams above you, I’d not give up hope of 6th

mate, we are used to this
the problem is
we just dont create enough chances and dont score
we are used to bossing possession

 

[petersaxton]

im now officially rosie out
we will not go up with this management system

rosie has so much potential but he's far too inexerpeinced and unwilling to take risk

a draw was useless here, he signed connolly and sharp, and when we need a goal in a must win game, he doesnt bring them on, he doesnt trust them
this summer with all the loanees leaving, is a huge rebuilding job
and i dont think rosie can be trusted for a rebuild

an owner like acun doesnt come along often, its so easy in the championship to end up like a blackburn or millwall, fighting for 15th
so with an owner like acun, we need to do all we can to make the most of it
life is short, football changes so fast

we know we can dominate the ball, but it means nothing, when we create nothing game after game after game
its not a one off
its a long pattern

i love rosie, i really do
but we need a new man in

There's no point having possession when the vast majority of it is in our own half

 

[Kalman]

He's just a young player going through a tough spell. He had a poor game and he'll know it

I was hoping so but my instincts, along with what others have corroborated, tell me he’ll push for a move in the summer.

Howden, M88 and Steven Toast will know more than me about stuff behind the scenes and I don’t claim to be ITK but I do know people who work or have worked recently for the club and they give me tidbits of info occasionally. Recently, they said a few players have gone over Rosenior’s head about their dissatisfaction with the coaching and way we’ve played and dropped points this season.

As much as Rosenior is a likeable guy and good man-manager, the players are still professionals who have their own expectations for the club and their careers. I’m sure many of us have had likeable bosses or managers but we’ve questioned their decisions and competency in their role. From what I can tell, it’s not mutiny just yet but they’re disgruntled and have concerns. They had concerns about Rosenior even in pre-season.

 

[NewcastleTiger]

**** me, he's had a bad few games but I don't get why this fanbase is so reactionary all the time. After Rotherham he was the next Messi, now he's the same as Ebiowei because he's in a rough patch. He's still putting in plenty of effort

People are actually whinging tonight because we've lost to the 2nd place side in a game we deserved something from. The entitlement has gone ****ing obscene.

Agreed for the most part but he is really playing like he’s already got his move sorted in summer.

 

[Trumpton Tiger.]

**** me, he's had a bad few games but I don't get why this fanbase is so reactionary all the time. After Rotherham he was the next Messi, now he's the same as Ebiowei because he's in a rough patch. He's still putting in plenty of effort

People are actually whinging tonight because we've lost to the 2nd place side in a game we deserved something from. The entitlement has gone ****ing obscene.

Wind you neck in. Your the most judgemental poster on here.
Philogene has all the talent in the world, no disputing that, but over the last two games he had been a disapointment when everyone was hoping he would be our star man.
For the record, Tom Eaves was the next Andy Carroll, once, after a game against Rotherham.

 

[Howdentiger2]

Baffled to see people blaming Allsop for going up for a corner, and the decision to take Tufan off. Rosenior gave Allsop the green light to go up, so if you really want to criticise that decision blame LR, not Allsop. People are obsessed with everything being Allsop's fault to a cartoonish degree.

Similarly cartoonish is this Tufan thing. Once again he's made no impact at all in our attack, and yet somehow he's everyone's favourite performer once again. He set the tone in the first minute or so when Morton played him in behind and he embarrassed himself hoping to go down and having absolutely no idea what else to do when Meslier didn't commit, and just watched it trickle out in the end. For his wage and supposed talent, I'd rather like to see him do something meaningful. Yes he ran, lots of players do. None get the leeway to achieve so little and get so much praise for it as Tufan does.

As others have said, it was the same old stuff really. Yes we played well and dominated large spells, as I think a lot of people thought we might do based on other recent performances against similar sides, and didn't deserve to lose at all never mind by 2, but that's the consistent theme of our season. Games we should draw we lose, games we should win we draw, and games we should win by 5 we win by one. Just across the board, whatever the performance, we underachieve in attack while the opposition finds the goals they need at the crucial times. We're a promising team, but to borrow a Roseniorism we need to learn quickly how to turn performances into results.

That's the problem though....we aren't and don't look like learning

 

[bradymk2]

I was hoping so but my instincts, along with what others have corroborated, tell me he’ll push for a move in the summer.

Howden, M88 and Steven Toast will know more than me about stuff behind the scenes and I don’t claim to be ITK but I do know people who work or have worked recently for the club and they give me tidbits of info occasionally. Recently, they said a few players have gone over Rosenior’s head about their dissatisfaction with the coaching way we’ve played and dropped points this season.

As much as Rosenior is a likeable guy and good man-manager, the players are still professionals who have their own expectations for the club and their careers. I’m sure many of us have had likeable bosses or managers but we’ve questioned their decisions and competency in their role. From what I can tell, it’s not mutiny just yet but they’re disgruntled and have concerns. They had concerns about Rosenior even in pre-season.

thats the thing

management in and of itself is a complicated matter, everyone here has had a manager they liked or didnt like
its not different in football
when you have a squad of 20-30 players, thats 30 diff personalities and mentalities
its why bruce had the success he did, managing so many players, he was a master at man management

management is a tough tough position, and i dont envy any of them,apart from the sacking fees

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

Agreed for the most part but he is really playing like he’s already got his move sorted in summer.

There's a reason Acun set his stall out in a Turkish interview a few days ago.

 

[PLT]

Lot of talk about the absence of a decent striker and rightly so, but I think our goal today was a good example of what we can do more often to score. Morton's incisive run caused a problem and Carvalho whilst not a natural striker is good enough to finish like one in that scenario. It's the Morton driving run that we don't do enough of. Leeds did similar and hurt us more than we hurt them as a result, despite having less chances to attack than we did. Don't really get why we can't do more of that.

 

[Jim the Tiger]

He ran out of subs with the two injury’s

You're allowed to make a additional sub with an injury. He was never putting on a striker tonight.

 

[Cityzen]

Would like to know what Leeds paid for Summerville. Same age as Jaden, though 2 inches shorter so some of our fans might not want him, he has always impressed me when I have seen him. Philogene would not have skinned our defence like Summerville did to get that penalty.

 

[Ernie Shackleton]

I really wasn't a Coyle fan to begin with but the last 18 months he's fantastic. He looked really good tonight at CB, dealt with everything well defensively, positionally was good, looked good on the ball (not something I'd usually say) and loved how he drove forward and supported attacks too.

Lewie is a much improved player.

Maybe that's down to the coaching he's received over the last couple of years.

 

[Tony Angelino]

There's a reason Acun set his stall out in a Turkish interview a few days ago.

What did he say

 

[Nikica Jellyfish]

Baffled to see people blaming Allsop for going up for a corner, and the decision to take Tufan off. Rosenior gave Allsop the green light to go up, so if you really want to criticise that decision blame LR, not Allsop. People are obsessed with everything being Allsop's fault to a cartoonish degree.

Similarly cartoonish is this Tufan thing. Once again he's made no impact at all in our attack, and yet somehow he's everyone's favourite performer once again. He set the tone in the first minute or so when Morton played him in behind and he embarrassed himself hoping to go down and having absolutely no idea what else to do when Meslier didn't commit, and just watched it trickle out in the end. For his wage and supposed talent, I'd rather like to see him do something meaningful. Yes he ran, lots of players do. None get the leeway to achieve so little and get so much praise for it as Tufan does.

As others have said, it was the same old stuff really. Yes we played well and dominated large spells, as I think a lot of people thought we might do based on other recent performances against similar sides, and didn't deserve to lose at all never mind by 2, but that's the consistent theme of our season. Games we should draw we lose, games we should win we draw, and games we should win by 5 we win by one. Just across the board, whatever the performance, we underachieve in attack while the opposition finds the goals they need at the crucial times. We're a promising team, but to borrow a Roseniorism we need to learn quickly how to turn performances into results.

Honestly you’re going to die on such a foolish hill, I’ve you’ve seen that and defending that decision you’re an absolute clown with a serious rose tinted agenda.

 

[TIGERSCAVE]

FACT.. if Jaden is off in the summer its for the long term good of the club. They will find another maybe even one as precocious as some other clubs seem to have a knack of doing and I'd wager the club are resigned and expecting him to go and working to that end. Even with what 7 to go I've enjoyed seeing him in a City short even if he's not been at it of late and we should just enjoy him whilst he's here.

 

[steverico]

Waiting to hear the usual #roseniorout bullshit, we dominated, we played really well, we didn’t deserve to lose, blah blah ****ing blah, will the interviewer ask why he took our best player in Tufan off?

 

[bradymk2]

Lot of talk about the absence of a decent striker and rightly so, but I think our goal today was a good example of what we can do more often to score. Morton's incisive run caused a problem and Carvalho whilst not a natural striker is good enough to finish like one in that scenario. It's the Morton driving run that we don't do enough of. Leeds did similar and hurt us more than we hurt them as a result, despite having less chances to attack than we did. Don't really get why we can't do more of that.

again, thats the thing
and that came from philo taking a shot, it was blocked
morton took the ball and carried it, and as you said we dont do it enough

we had 3 or 4 players inside the penalty area
but it was carvalhos run that beat his defender and scored

we just simply dont take enough risks with the ball
and i think its because rosie is inexperienced

if i imagine myself as manager, its easy to imagine it,but when your every decision has ramifications, its difficult
and thats where the experience comes in

i can say bring connolly on, rosie maybe thought the same, but his actions have real results, again its experience, management is ****ing hard in general