I'm not disagreeing with you. Its unnecessary.
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I'm not disagreeing with you. Its unnecessary.
It's all about the difference between Murphy's Law and Cole's law.
I know. I was just posing the question. I would imagine the FAs in other countries would not countenance such a daft idea.
Yes, silly you. This would not happen in other countries. And only in this one would daft so and sos think it was a good idea.
It's a 'playful update' to 'unite and inspire' according to Nike...
Outcome---- Failed already
You may think it's nothing like either, and you're allowed to.
I'm allowed disagree.
I'm saying it's nothing like the cross of St George and it's a clumsy attempt to conflate rather than 'update'.
It's a 'playful update' to 'unite and inspire' according to Nike...
Outcome---- Failed already
Actually, they've got exactly the outcome they wanted, this is simply a ploy to get everyone talking about the kit and it's working magnificently.
I reckon they'd prefer people to buy it rather than just talk about it, so the success or otherwise will be based on sales, which will be interesting to watch.
If it was such a great sales technique, they seem to have failed to do it for all the other shirts.
Changing a domestic clubs badge is always controversial, so it would take an absolute clown to think that changing a national emblem would be a wise move.
Talking about it and buying it are entirely different matters?
I assume it will have been mass produced already and there will be warehouses full of it ready for dispatch or to simply gather dust.My money's on the latter.
I don’t even see why we have blue on our kit, so a pinky purpley cross won’t sell it to me
Although as I wouldn’t buy one anyway they won’t notice.
I think we should play in white with red bits…so there
There's certainly a chance that it will backfire, they've done things like this before that have gone pear-shaped. They launched a trainer using the Betsy Ross flag (which looks like a USA/EU mash-up) and ended up having to withdraw it after an NFL star said it was offensive (it's linked to the American Revolution)...
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But the people most offended by this will not be people who normally buy England shirts, so for them it's a numbers game and they rarely get it wrong.
There was a similar reaction in Germany to the new Adidas away shirt, that it was claimed was based on the Bisexual Flag (I had no idea there was a bisexual flag), but it ended up selling so well they ran out of stock...
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Those are the colours of the bisexual flag tbf and incidentally also the colours they've used to recolour the St George's flag on the new England shirt.
Exactly, it is no accident. Sexualisation is everywhere. It is a shirt worn mainly by kids, there is nothing 'playful' about sneaking stuff like this onto kids clothing. Call me a 'conspiracy nutjob' if you like, that has become a badge of honour in the last few years, but it is everywhere if you know what you're looking for. These colours are used to represent bisexuality. What the frig has that got to do with the England Mens football team? Or any football team for that matter?
Equality for people of all ethnic backgrounds and sexual/gender groups should be a fundamental right but the way the corporates and media are ramming it down peoples necks is for one purpose only, to cause friction and divide the plebs.
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The new shirt that the England national football team will wear in this summer’s European championships (EUROs) has been revealed, and I am appalled to see kit makers Nike boast of the ‘playful update’ to St George’s cross due to appear on their design.
This millenium-old piece of heraldry has been identified with the English for centuries. It speaks to the heroic resolve of our patron Saint George, the pride taken in overcoming evildoers in great acts of service, and the ancient Christian tradition of this land and people. It is a symbol that encapsulates the virtues that make us English, and which characterise this nation on the international stage.
This is a symbol that has stood the test of time. England is an ancient land whose civilisation has stood firm in the face of the political instability that characterises most other European countries. This is celebrated by St George’s cross: a consistent feature on English livery while France and Germany amongst others have abandoned such displays of heritage. The uninterrupted continuity of our history and cultural tradition sets us apart from our neighbours, a point of distinction that is all the more apparent as the Home of Football takes on these friends on the pitch.
St George’s cross is not uniquely English. Through shared Christian heritage with our international neighbours, it often surprises fans to see it on the crests of A.C. Milan, and F.C. Barcelona. Never mind it’s repetition on Georgia’s flag! While distinguishing us from our international friends, it is also a shared symbol of deeper meaning that fosters unity. It is as ludicrous to suggest that the Cross be ‘playfully updated’ on Barcelona and Milan’s kits as what Nike and the FA propose for England here.
It is hard to view this move as anything short of political. While the FA may think that this move distances English football from nationalist elements, it does not take a political eye to see that this is divisive. This is a symbol that has united sworn enemies in club football throughout the history of the game to take great pride together in achievements in their nation’s name. It is the shared icon of English football across all levels and demographics, transcending social class with a shared interest for Englishmen up and down the country. Changing this symbol to something unrecognisable strips the shared heritage that brings together this nation’s native diversity, and can only be damaging.
I would love to buy this new shirt, but cannot while it shows the Cross of St George is defaced. Therefore I ask you to sign this petition to make the FA and Nike realise their error here: to inform them that they have deeply offended English fans, look wildly out of touch with the fans, and to show that the English people and our ancient affinity for football refuse to be erased.
Please change the shirt.
Either use the appropriate, all-red St George’s Cross, or don’t use it at all!
The new shirt that the England national football team will wear in this summer’s European championships (EUROs) has been revealed, and I am appalled to see kit makers Nike boast of the ‘playful update’ to St George’s cross due to appear on their design.
This millenium-old piece of heraldry has been identified with the English for centuries. It speaks to the heroic resolve of our patron Saint George, the pride taken in overcoming evildoers in great acts of service, and the ancient Christian tradition of this land and people. It is a symbol that encapsulates the virtues that make us English, and which characterise this nation on the international stage.
This is a symbol that has stood the test of time. England is an ancient land whose civilisation has stood firm in the face of the political instability that characterises most other European countries. This is celebrated by St George’s cross: a consistent feature on English livery while France and Germany amongst others have abandoned such displays of heritage. The uninterrupted continuity of our history and cultural tradition sets us apart from our neighbours, a point of distinction that is all the more apparent as the Home of Football takes on these friends on the pitch.
St George’s cross is not uniquely English. Through shared Christian heritage with our international neighbours, it often surprises fans to see it on the crests of A.C. Milan, and F.C. Barcelona. Never mind it’s repetition on Georgia’s flag! While distinguishing us from our international friends, it is also a shared symbol of deeper meaning that fosters unity. It is as ludicrous to suggest that the Cross be ‘playfully updated’ on Barcelona and Milan’s kits as what Nike and the FA propose for England here.
It is hard to view this move as anything short of political. While the FA may think that this move distances English football from nationalist elements, it does not take a political eye to see that this is divisive. This is a symbol that has united sworn enemies in club football throughout the history of the game to take great pride together in achievements in their nation’s name. It is the shared icon of English football across all levels and demographics, transcending social class with a shared interest for Englishmen up and down the country. Changing this symbol to something unrecognisable strips the shared heritage that brings together this nation’s native diversity, and can only be damaging.
I would love to buy this new shirt, but cannot while it shows the Cross of St George is defaced. Therefore I ask you to sign this petition to make the FA and Nike realise their error here: to inform them that they have deeply offended English fans, look wildly out of touch with the fans, and to show that the English people and our ancient affinity for football refuse to be erased.
Please change the shirt.
Either use the appropriate, all-red St George’s Cross, or don’t use it at all!
Typed it before but I'll type it again. Sometimes when the pendulum needs to swing to the middle, it swings too far to the other side. (Innuendo optional)
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