Dr Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love Boris)

[FellTop]

This could be a massive boost for the tories.
Starmer has shot himself in the foot big time.
Penny Mordaunt currently ripping Labour a new one.

It could be, but I doubt it will make any difference. There is so much rubbish to make up for they are a lost cause in my opinion. Starmer saying he only 'urged' the speaker, still a poor look in my opinion. Will depend on how much these investigative journalists of ours want to try and find out what may or may now have been done I suppose.

 

[Smug in Boots]

If this was vote to stop Britain's invasion of a country then people might be more interested. As it's basically to call for a ceasefire, that Netanyahu will ignore, it's not too critical.

The politicians, commentators and 24 news channels will lap it up, of course. In reality Britain has no more sway than any other country no matter how much we big ourselves up.

The USA and UN have pushed for a ceasefire and were ignored, Israel won't suddenly panic because Rishi Sunak has stamped his feet.

 

[FellTop]

If this was vote to stop Britain's invasion of a country then people might be more interested. As it's basically to call for a ceasefire, that Netanyahu will ignore, it's not too critical.

The politicians, commentators and 24 news channels will lap it up, of course. In reality Britain has no more sway than any other country no matter how much we big ourselves up.

The USA and UN have pushed for a ceasefire and were ignored, Israel won't suddenly panic because Rishi Sunak has stamped his feet.

The story isnt about the vote. It is about how why the amendment was chosen for the vote.

 

[Smug in Boots]

The story isnt about the vote. It is about how why the amendment was chosen for the vote.

Yes I know mate.

My point was that while people who are involved or interested in politics might discuss it ...

... I doubt the public are that bothered in all honesty.

 

[FellTop]

Yes I know mate.

My point was that while people who are involved or interested in politics might discuss it ...

... I doubt the public are that bothered in all honesty.

Agreed. Not something that will be relevant at a GE. Unless it transpires something untoward has gone on.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Agreed. Not something that will be relevant at a GE. Unless it transpires something untoward has gone on.

TBH this whole situation is sickening.

Russia are primarily fighting a war against a country capable of fighting back and defending itself.

However the UK rightly, imo, condemned Russia and imposed sanctions, etc.

Israel are annihilating thousands of innocent civilians, and reducing towns to rubble, primarily as an act of vengeance.

However the UK has only said, 'Excuse me Mr Netanyahu, excuse me, hello ....'

 

[FellTop]

TBH this whole situation is sickening.

Russia are primarily fighting a war against a country capable of fighting back and defending itself.

However the UK rightly, imo, condemned Russia and imposed sanctions, etc.

Israel are annihilating thousands of innocent civilians, and reducing towns to rubble, primarily as an act of vengeance.

However the UK has only said, 'Excuse me Mr Netanyahu, excuse me, hello ....'

You would hope any war in the modern age was never waged. With the sort of weapons countries have it is mass destruction it seems, which means innocents.

 

[Row 3]

This could be a massive boost for the tories.
Starmer has shot himself in the foot big time.
Penny Mordaunt currently ripping Labour a new one.

None of the parties are coming out of this with any credit. The whole lot are engaged in petty party politics while the carnage continues in the middle east. The fact is whichever motion / ammendment was chosen it would have zero impact in Gaza, so using that as cover to have a pop at each other is shameful.

 

[FellTop]

None of the parties are coming out of this with any credit. The whole lot are engaged in petty party politics while the carnage continues in the middle east. The fact is whichever motion / ammendment was chosen it would have zero impact in Gaza, so using that as cover to have a pop at each other is shameful.

I agree about having zero impact. I dont think many countries are having much of an impact. This was about trying to create a UK stance on the type of ceasefire asked for.

Yesterday was the SNP day as 3rd biggest party. To put the labour amendment up first was the bit that caused the furore and very much abnormal as I understand it. It also left the SNP in particular without their chance to influence in the way they are entitled under convention. The accusations about why that was done followed. The BBC went with the line that a senior labour source had told them Hoyle had been told he would not be speaker under their govt if didnt do this. That I think is where the talk of Labour threatening him have come from. You can take your own pick on whether ever to believe a source. I dont believe Hoyle is the type of speaker to buckle under that sort of threat, or any threat. Hoyle wanted to protect MPs from threats of violence after a vote, which is very laudible, but I do think the course of action has not necessarily helped safeguard all MPs and hence folk think Labour have had preferential treatment. I tend to think the tories have been the voice of reason so far tbh, even Mark Francois said the speaker has apologised and we should move on. Morduant has handled the situation very well in my opinion. Some labour MPs have tried to turn it into political capital which isnt ideal, and some tories the same probably.

Another example for me of how political structure in this country is flawed, sadly.

 

[Saf]

It was the SNP calling for a ceasefire not Rishi Sunak

 

[Daz]

None of the parties are coming out of this with any credit. The whole lot are engaged in petty party politics while the carnage continues in the middle east. The fact is whichever motion / ammendment was chosen it would have zero impact in Gaza, so using that as cover to have a pop at each other is shameful.

I was thinking the same thing, arguing over what the uk stance should be when the countries involved wont take a blind bit of notice.

It was embarrassing and you can see why many countries see our system as an old fashioned joke.

 

[Smug in Boots]

I was thinking the same thing, arguing over what the uk stance should be when the countries involved wont take a blind bit of notice.

It was embarrassing and you can see why many countries see our system as an old fashioned joke.

Sunak didn't say a word until our trade started to suffer and shipping was affected ...

... money comes first in his mind.

I've no idea why he wants the job tbh, it's only well paid when you leave.

 

[Saf]

Sunak is only calling for a humanitarian aid pause. He’s not and has never called for a ceasefire.

Don’t let the truth get in the way of someone’s constant rage with everything conservative, though.

 

[FellTop]

There seems to be some canny avoidance of the issue highlighted last night in parliament on here today.

The issue being argued over today isnt about the nature of the ceasefire the UK government is calling for, nor about what opposition parties want the wording changed to. It is about the process of parliament not being followed and why. It is important to understand why such a deviation occurred in my opinion.

 

[Smug in Boots]

There seems to be some canny avoidance of the issue highlighted last night in parliament on here today.

The issue being argued over today isnt about the nature of the ceasefire the UK government is calling for, nor about what opposition parties want the wording changed to. It is about the process of parliament not being followed and why. It is important to understand why such a deviation occurred in my opinion.

It's nothing compared to what Boris Johnson did, and that was very quickly glossed over.

It wasn't a pleasant spectacle but this is the state of our Parliament and needs a change ...

... the last few years have been shameful and this is the result.

 

[Saf]

Kier Starmer showing utter contempt for parliament is nothing compared to Boris showing utter contempt for parliament.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Kier Starmer showing utter contempt for parliament is nothing compared to Boris showing utter contempt for parliament.

Only one was the Prime Minister of this country at the time.

 

[Saf]

Only one was the Prime Minister of this country.

That’s alright then.


I assume you believe Kier Starmer now isn’t fit to be PM behaving like that?

 

[Smug in Boots]

That’s alright then.


I assume you believe Kier Starmer now isn’t fit to be PM behaving like that?

Only one was the Prime Minister of this country at the time.

 

[Saf]

Only one was the Prime Minister of this country at the time.