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Head Coach Performance

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Downeys Loup, Jan 20, 2024.

  1. Daz

    Daz Well-Known Member

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    We definitely need a better balance in the squad but the new manager has had every chance to do well with what he has imo.

    It’s basic things he is getting wrong. His awful tactics and insistence on playing out of form players like Jobe, therefore forcing other better players into unfamiliar positions.

    Substitutions are usually like for like…RB for RB, CF for CF etc. Seemingly no idea how to change the game when it is there for the taking or passing us by.

    The bloke is really not helping himself.
     
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  2. FellTop

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    You are assuming there is a right man out there. I am assuming we had the right man and the club had some poor guidance. I do not believe the current people recruiting coaches know what it takes to be an elite coach. They may think they do, but evidence suggest they dont. Then there is the argument they seem to think we are an attractive proposition. We are for a certain category of manager, but not the type they want. This whole nonsense started with a link in the summer window about a coach whose name escapes me. I spoke to an agent at the time who laughed out loud and said no chance. This argument he was coming until the fan base reacted to support Mowbray I think is false. He might have been on a list, but he was never coming here. We as fans need to get a modest grip on reality. I am a dreamer, but we are not some kind of elite level coaching gig. We aspire to be, but right now we are a way off. Like I said, sack Beale if you want, he coule win 10 on the spin and then lose 1 and some would still want him gone. But the next fella wont be what people want unless the club changes approach and the bare minimum is allowing a coaching team to come with him. We have asked Beale to come in and work with coaches he doesnt know. More fool him for accepting. Anyone who has ever coached will know you are not a lone ranger and never will be. As a club we have no idea on head coaches and how to help them succeed.
     
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  3. Chunksafc

    Chunksafc Well-Known Member

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    You obviously have quite a good handle on the coaching world.
    Would you say being expected to work with the existing coaches and not bring in at least one of your own men would deter a lot of good coaches?

    In my field, I have a right hand man rhat I couldn't do the work we do without as I trust him with my life and we work very well together. We have always said if ever approached for roles that we come as a team, obviously nothing like football but I believe the same principle would apply
     
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  4. Oliver's Army

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    Did Beale take any coaches from QPR up to Rangers when he went there? It is a bit unusual to not bring in at least 1 assistant like Mowbray did with Venus.
     
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    It will be just like Bob Paisley taking over<cheers>
     
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  6. FellTop

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    It should be a massive red flag. Coaching 28 odd players is not a one man gig. You simply cannot engage with all players on your own. If you arent speaking with one voice you might as well not speak at all. The message has to be consistent.

    To be clear my top end is u18 in academy level and mens at semi pro. Never been in charge of a mens championship team. So folk can discount my opinion, it is only that. But as an example I recently agreed to do some guest coaching with an u18 academy group. My brief was coaching the transition when we lost the ball. I spent 3 weeks watching sessions before I got involved because I wanted to see what the coaches did, how they communicated, how players responded, body language etc.

    Coaches arent all the same, we go through the same quals, and that is the framework. But we are different. I never step onto the playing field when coaching, always from tbe touchline. I see a lot of coaches doing it very differently. How can you work as a team without time to learn about each other? You cant.
     
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  7. Chunksafc

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    I only ask as you have experience in the field and all helps to build a picture for me in my head of what it can or should look like.

    As I said at the time, I can't remember another appointment where a coach or manager hasn't brought at least 1 trusted person in
     
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  8. Sour Patch

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    I believe he took one.
     
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  9. Oliver's Army

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    Do you know who it was? (Is he still up there or employed somewhere else?)
     
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  10. Sour Patch

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    Apologies he took 3, Neil Banfield, Harry Watling and Damian Matthew. I don't think any of them are currently in work.

    I believe Beale said in one of his interviews/press conferences that he would add to the coaching staff so wouldn't be surprised if one came in.
     
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  11. FellTop

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    Full transparency. I am of Mowbrays era. I am not of Beale or Stills era. I am doing less and being asked to do less, as old fellas step away. Some might say I am a dinosaur, no probs, I dont think I am. I saw more modern ingenuity in Mowbrays coaching than most. The u18s group I am coaching has a head coach 28 years younger than me! He is a great coach, will go far, and really seems to value me. I have been elsewhere in the last 5 years where the coaches dismissed me, I didnt go back.
     
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  12. Sour Patch

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    I think the key to good coaching over a long period of time is to almost be era-less, if that is a word. Mowbray is a good example of a coach whos style of football as a coach is completely different to what the general style of play was when he was a player.

    If you move with the times you should always have a place in football for me. I think the term 'dinosaur' should be reserved for coaches/managers who are stuck in their ways.
     
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  13. Chunksafc

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    I really rate Mowbray as a coach, seemed to want the game to be played the right way, without fear and on the front foot.
    I do think his experience as a footballer would also give the younger kids a decent grounding in what I imagine is quite a harsh environment.

    He came across as knowing that all the talent in the world isn't enough if you don't put the hard work in and again I don't think that's a bad thing to instill in players.

    He also wasn't as much a dinosaur as he made out imo, just a very dry down to earth sense of humour
     
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  14. Oliver's Army

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    I'd be suprised if he's here long enough to add to the coaching staff tbh.
     
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  15. Smug in Boots

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  16. Oliver's Army

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    Palace that one isn't it I think?
     
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  17. Southern A

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    yeh that was at Arsenal - palace today
     
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  18. Oliver's Army

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    Roy has done a good job since going back tbh. Do Palace expect top 6 or something? Up to them I suppose.
     
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  19. Nathan Brazil

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    If you've made a mistake, rectify it as soon as you can.
     
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  20. Nacho

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    Only hypothetical because he wouldn't be interested but he'd make a superb assistant coach, dealing with the players day to day and leaving the strategic side to some egghead. Not Beale.
     
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