Off Topic WW3 How Close?

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Smug in Boots said:
Sadly that's how it works and, to a degree, I can understand it. The police have to judge each situation on the circumstances and likely outcome.

The arrested lad was probably surrounded by decent people who wouldn't try to stop the arrested.

No one has to go near the protesters who are all of the same mind. If the police go steaming in I'd guess it would encourage more demonstrations.

I'd also guess that the Jewish protesters want revenge, and more deaths, but don't say so.

This is all horrendous and, somehow, Israel are destroying the obvious and justified sympathy they had at the start ...

... just my opinion and how I see it, I don't think much of either side at the moment.
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Yeah that sums it up. It is complicated, and escalation is a risk. But also brings in another argument '' can't give an inch or...'' , applies to the lad but not to the others.
Likewise , little sympathy at the moment for Israel or Hamas, but loads of it for the individual people who are suffering this because of the minority leaders. Just hope that that handful of people don't draw everyone else in
 
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gelders pie said:
Yeah that sums it up. It is complicated, and escalation is a risk. But also brings in another argument '' can't give an inch or...'' , applies to the lad but not to the others.
Likewise , little sympathy at the moment for Israel or Hamas, but loads of it for the individual people who are suffering this because of the minority leaders. Just hope that that handful of people don't draw everyone else in
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You're right there tbf.

What I find ridiculous is Braverman making such a massive issue out of such a small thing compared to the big picture.

I'm not sure any court would want to prosecute someone for shouting a foreign word with so many meanings and interpretations.

The Bobby Charlton insults can only be seen one way imo, so it's clear for the courts and the who can justifiably ban him.
 
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One of the best responses that I've read . . . .
They're not happy in Gaza ..
They're not happy in Egypt ..
They're not happy in Libya ..
They're not happy in Morocco ..
They're not happy in Iran ..
They're not happy in Iraq ..
They're not happy in Yemen ...
They're not happy in Afghanistan ...
They're not happy in Pakistan ..
They're not happy in Syria ..
They're not happy in Lebanon ...
SO WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY ?
They're happy in Australia ..
They're happy in Canada ..
They're happy in England ..
They're happy in France ..
They're happy in Italy ..
They're happy in Germany ..
They're happy in Sweden ..
They're happy in the USA ..
They're happy in Norway ..
They're happy in Holland ..
They're happy in Denmark ..
Basically, they're happy in every country that is not Muslim and they're unhappy in every country that is !
WHO DO THEY BLAME ?
Not Islam.
Not their leadership.
Not themselves
THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THAT PEOPLE ARE HAPPY IN !
Then they want to change those countries to be like THE COUNTRY THAT THEY CAME FROM WHERE THEY WERE UNHAPPY !
Excuse me, but I can't help wondering . . . . how frigging dumb can you get ?
Everyone seems to be wondering why Muslim Terrorists are so quick to commit suicide.
Lets have a look at the evidence:
- No Christmas
- No television
- No nude women
- No football
- No pork chops
- No hot dogs
- No burgers
- No beer
- No bacon
- Rags for clothes
- Towels for hats
- Constant wailing from some bloke in a tower
- More than one wife
- More than one mother-in-law
- You can't shave
- Your wife can't shave
- You can't wash off the smell of donkeys
- You cook over burning camel ****
- Your wife is picked by someone else for you
- and your wife smells worse than your donkey
- Then they tell them that "when they die, it all gets better" !
No **** Sherlock . . . . it's not like it could get much worse !
 
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Labour leader, Keir Starmer, has continued to insist that a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas is "not the correct position now" arguing that doing so would benefit Hamas and impact efforts to push for a two-state solution in the Middle East.

The Labour leader made a speech at Chatham House after he faced mounting pressure from a significant number of his party's MPs and influential Labour mayors who have called for Starmer to join them in backing a ceasefire.

Senior Labour figures have called for a “humanitarian pause” in the conflict in Gaza, and insisted that there can only be a “political solution” to the crisis.

While almost 50 Labour MPs have called for a ceasefire between Hamas and Israel, Starmer said that a ceasefire was not the correct position, and claimed that it would allow Hamas to build up its artillery and forces again.

"While I understand calls for a ceasefire at this stage, I do not believe that it is the correct position now for two reasons" he said.

"One, because a ceasefire always freezes any conflict in the state where it currently lies, and that would leave Hamas with the infrastructure and the capability to carry out the sort of attack that we saw on October 7th.

"Attacks that are still ongoing, hostages who should be released, still held. Hamas would be emboldened and start preparing for future violence immediately."

"It is this context which explains my second reason, which is that our current calls for pauses in the fighting for clear and specific humanitarian purposes, and which must start immediately. is right in practice, as well as principal.

"In fact, it is at this moment the only credible approach that has any chance of achieving what we all want to see in Gaza."

Starmer added that he believed that a long-term solution would not be solved by “bombs” and “bullets”, and insisted that a political agreement "is the only way to resolve this conflict once and for all".

"The attacks on 7th October were the biggest slaughter of Jews – and that is why they were killed, do not doubt that – since the Holocaust" Starmer continued.

"Men, women, children, babies. Murdered, mutilated and tortured by the terrorists of Hamas. Make no mistake - this is terrorism on a scale and brutality that few countries have ever experienced, and that is an immutable fact that must drive our response to these events. As must a humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza, which again plays out on a previously unimaginable scale."

Starmer reiterated the fact that Israel had a right to "self-defence" but added that this did not amount to a "blank cheque".

"Supply of basic utilities like water, medicines, electricity, and yes fuel to civilians in Gaza, cannot be blocked by Israel" he said.

"Every life matters, so every step must be taken to protect civilians from bombardment. Palestinians should not be forced to leave their homes en masse, but where they have no choice but to flee within Gaza we need crystal clear guarantees that they will be able to return quickly."

He added that in conflicts "like this" the most painful blows are "those that land on the bruises of history."

He said that for too long the international community had put the Israel and Palestine conflict in the "too difficult" box.

“There's no recent equivalent of anything like the concerted push for peace that we saw in the 1990s and the early 2000s. No, what has happened is that we have continually paid lip service to a two state solution” he said.

It'll never be 100% correct, for obvious reasons, and I've never agreed with Starmer about anything before, but in this case I do, because of the emboldened bit :emoticon-0148-yes:
 
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It's too difficult because it's impossible for any Western politician to understand the situation. We're used to resolving conflict through negotiation. They might have the trappings of modern life, but ultimately they're still fighting the Crusades over there. One tribe wants rid of the other tribe.
 
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The UK and US will be announcing soon that the Houthis are about to feel the wrath from our bombs of peace.
 
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Judging by the news, it's imminent if it hasn't already happened. You don't brief the leader of the opposition if you're not going to hit them.
 
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The Exile II said:
Judging by the news, it's imminent if it hasn't already happened. You don't brief the leader of the opposition if you're not going to hit them.
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Bad people need stopping - but why always us? If this is to protect world shipping then it should be made up of multiple countries. Surely China for example sends a lot of goods this way ?
 
Peterleeyacker said:
We're being dragged into another bloodbath. The unelected ****er hoping to gain popularity by going to war
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This isn’t going to be boots on the ground. It’s a few scabs in Yemen. Iran won’t get involved. They know their fate if that were to happen.
 
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So, just to answer the original post on this thread which was January 2022, its only taken about 2 years, more or less to the day, to get involved.
 
Peterleeyacker said:
We're being dragged into another bloodbath. The unelected ****er hoping to gain popularity by going to war
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We very rarely do the bloodbath thing - that's largely the Americans with their gung ho attitude to rules of engagement.

The targets we did hit will have been reconnoitred for weeks if not months to ensure any civilian casualties will be limited. It was impressive when I was tangentially involved a decade and a half ago so Christ knows what their capabilities are now. The only thing that would worry me is the swing towards ticking boxes to get to the outcome you want rather than actually investigating targets. Plenty of planned strikes were called off due to someone noticing an important but small detail which ultimately saved innocent lives.
 
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The Exile II said:
We very rarely do the bloodbath thing - that's largely the Americans with their gung ho attitude to rules of engagement.

The targets we did hit will have been reconnoitred for weeks if not months to ensure any civilian casualties will be limited. It was impressive when I was tangentially involved a decade and a half ago so Christ knows what their capabilities are now. The only thing that would worry me is the swing towards ticking boxes to get to the outcome you want rather than actually investigating targets. Plenty of planned strikes were called off due to someone noticing an important but small detail which ultimately saved innocent lives.
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Saw a bit about this on Britains Top Guns, Inside The RAF, they knew of friendly forces being mortared from a certain positions Syria. They flew from Akrotiri and the pilot was watching this bloke go about his business from 5 miles away, saw what they thought was holes in the ground around him, and he was going to each one of them, so they watched for a bit longer, thinking he may be burying ammo etc. The guy moved away and then this mass started following him, it was his sheep and the “holes” were food and water containers. It may have been a different story, if it were an itchy finger pilot, but he did his homework.
 
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