WAR! What is it good for?

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brb said:
Nothing is ever acceptable in collateral damage, but that's the horrors of war, even more so when the invisible enemy hide behind women and children, when they hide under hospitals and in UN facilities, when they cross the border and burn babies alive, and butcher people's sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, mothers and fathers. It's horrendus that 4,200 kids are dead, but likewise it's horrific when 400,000 people are killed in another present day war, it's horrific when 100,000 are killed at another geographic location in the world, 500,000 and not a word from you about them, no focus from you whatsoever, you are anti-Israel and it's your only interest, you care no more for those dead, than you did for any of the other hundreds of thousands killed in present day wars.
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Got some news for you fella ... life existed before this forum - and I've ALWAYS been outspoken on the slaughter of innocents and unnecessary wars even before I got old enough to vote ... and my views are not confined to a predominantly football website ...

... but good to see you acknowledge that the barbaric slaughter of over 4,000 Palestinian kids can never be justified in ANY circumstances... think that's what you are implying ... I'm with you mate ... it's truly sickening and abhorrent <ok>
 
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Solid_Air 2 said:
if on;y the yanks had stuck with fire bombing.

should point out that while being no consolation to those who died or had radiation poisoning later it is certain that the nukes saved lives .
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Yeh mate ... nukes always do <doh> ... without them we'd all be speaking Japanese now and Korean boys bands would have taken over the music industry ... <laugh>
 
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Solid_Air 2 said:
if on;y the yanks had stuck with fire bombing.

should point out that while being no consolation to those who died or had radiation poisoning later it is certain that the nukes saved lives .
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Ha! I honestly was waiting for you to pop along, we've had this convo before. Anyway as I said to Abe football time.
 
FosseFilberto said:
Got some news for you fella ... life existed before this forum - and I've ALWAYS been outspoken on the slaughter of innocents and unnecessary wars even before I got old enough to vote ... and my views are not confined to a predominantly football website ...

... but good to see you acknowledge that the barbaric slaughter of over 4,000 Palestinian kids can never be justified in ANY circumstances... think that's what you are implying ... I'm with you mate ... it's truly sickening and abhorrent <ok>
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Liar.
 
Bwood_Ranger said:
Just sat down. A few scabs with their “Jews against genocide” banner but a small gathering compared to the London ones I’ve seen. Nothing against them doing it but just seems pointless apart from making people feel like they’re doing something.
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I'd sit somewhere a bit cleaner and doesn't smell like death and industry
 
Anyways if saying it’s an inside job
brb said:
You can agree with him as much as you like, but at least type something worth reading, and in your own words.

Anyway, I'm off to watch football now so fill your boots.
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And there’s a point on writing lots that you don’t read….yeah I’m good with wasting my time <laugh>

if saying it was an inside job is saying nothing then fill your boots with your next load of garbage your gonna put down as nowt more than your own bias <laugh>

enjoy your football :emoticon-0102-bigsm
 
FosseFilberto said:
Yeh mate ... nukes always do <doh> ... without them we'd all be speaking Japanese now and Korean boys bands would have taken over the music industry ... <laugh>
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you really need to look at the death toll the yanks were inflicting on the Japs plus the general population was on the edge of starvation .
The idea that they needed the nukes to win the war is nonsense it just shortened it and therefore saved lives .
 
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If the Yanks never dropped the bombs on Japan, millions of soldiers and civilians would have died from the fighting instead.
 
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Solid_Air 2 said:
you really need to look at the death toll the yanks were inflicting on the Japs plus the general population was on the edge of starvation .
The idea that they needed the nukes to win the war is nonsense it just shortened it and therefore saved lives .
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that’s the sabbatean message redemption through sin
 
Solid_Air 2 said:
you really need to look at the death toll the yanks were inflicting on the Japs plus the general population was on the edge of starvation .
The idea that they needed the nukes to win the war is nonsense it just shortened it and therefore saved lives .
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Mate if you want to buy the myth that dropping nuclear bombs on civilian population actually saved lives, that's your prerogative... I bought it too for a while ... but then I reached puberty and started asking some questions... the answers to which, gave me a much different perspective...
 
FosseFilberto said:
Mate if you want to buy the myth that dropping nuclear bombs on civilian population actually saved lives, that's your prerogative... I bought it too for a while ... but then I reached puberty and started asking some questions... the answers to which, gave me a much different perspective...
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how do you think lives would have been saved by extending the war is their is no evidence that Japanese were going to surrender until the nukes and even then it took the second to convince some of the leaders .
 
Solid_Air 2 said:
how do you think lives would have been saved by extending the war is their is no evidence that Japanese were going to surrender until the nukes and even then it took the second to convince some of the leaders .
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... you honestly think the Japanese were thinking the Allies were about to surrender at the point the bombs were dropped?
 
According to Rabbi Marvin Antelman, they believe sin is holy and should be practised for its own sake. Since the Messiah will come when people either become righteous or totally corrupt, the Sabbateans opted for debauchery: “Since we cannot all be saints, let us all be sinners.”

Their blasphemous benediction “who permits the forbidden” later became the Illuminist “do as thou wilt” the expression of their “religious” feeling. Totally amoral, they believe the “end justifies the means.” (“To Eliminate the Opiate,”Vol. 2 p. 87)
 
I think the Japanese were on the brink of surrender, they were desperately trying to negotiate for the Soviets to maintain their none aggression agreement and not invade Manchuria. The ambassador from Japan in the Soviet Union repeatedly sent news back to the homeland that this was impossible, the Soviets will invade and the Japanese MUST surrender, the Emperor leaned towards this, the military elite denied it outright. No unconditional surrender, only conditional surrender.

The Japs were, according to most historians and scholars, willing to sign a conditional surrender with the United States, preserving the Emperor and the military elite. The US, viewed a conditional surrender as a defeat and were absolutely not willing to accept anything other than unconditional surrender.

The US also had a headache with the Soviets trying to claim more land from the Japanese Empire, something that the US also did not want.

The idea was to bomb Japan with nuclear warheads to show the world the US' capabilities and force the unconditional surrender before the Soviet Invasion. The US preserved the Emperor anyway, but the military elite mostly committed suicide before arrest.

The use of nuclear weapons is one of the most hotly debated questions on earth and will never be solved by a debate on Not606.
 
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