Match Day Thread WBA v Hull City

[petersaxton]

because that’s how we want to play and it’s worked countless times before. Inviting pressure on leads to space being left elsewhere.

look I get it. It’s not in your football philosophy for how you’d like City to play. To cherry pick this instance as a be all and end all as to why playing for the back won’t work is honestly just tiring. To also look back on every micro moment with huge amounts of hindsight is pointless.

fact is come Monday they’ll probably look at what happened and they’ll review it. They’ll either tell Allsop to play it quicker, highlight where he could’ve passed it once the pressure was invited or tell Seri what he could’ve done better.

fact is it’s a mistake made by a human being and that’s not down to playstyle. Seri makes that pass to Jones and we don’t have this argument. Allsop plays it out quicker and we don’t have this argument. It’s really not ****ing difficult

it's all down to unnecessary passing
passing for the sake of it
slowing the game down so opponents have time to get into their desired formation
dont make out it's me at fault when you argue without being factually correct
you make out that I am shocked that the team concedes due to messing about at the back
I have been warning about the dangers before this match
you like them passing around at the back
but you dont see that it is why we rarely create chances going forward

 

[HCAFCHangout]

it's all down to unnecessary passing
passing for the sake of it
slowing the game down so opponents have time to get into their desired formation
dont make out it's me at fault when you argue without being factually correct
you make out that I am shocked that the team concedes due to messing about at the back
I have been warning about the dangers before this match
you like them passing around at the back
but you dont see that it why we rarely create chances going forward

Really intrigued that you've said this without knowing keepers can't pick it back after dropping it but carry on

 

[petersaxton]

Really intrigued that you've said this without knowing keepers can't pick it back after dropping it but carry on

there was no reason to drop the ball in the first place
he could have caught the ball and thrown it out more effectively than pass to somebody standing five yards to his right

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

Yeah but we don't have the modern reincarnation of a serial killer in midfield, so we're soft...

Obviously...

Are you an actual human or an AI bot?

With the emphasis on artificial?

There's literally no emotional intelligence in literally anything you post.

So I'm asking out of genuine interest?

 

[SydneyTiger14]

there was no reason to drop the ball in the first place
he could have caught the ball and thrown it out more effectively than pass to somebody standing five yards to his right

That's a funny way of saying you were wrong.

 

[HCAFCHangout]

there was no reason to drop the ball in the first place
he could have caught the ball and thrown it out more effectively than pass to somebody standing five yards to his right

And if you re-read my post you will see that I agree with you on that point. However, our style is to invite the pressure that led to Wallace blocking off Jones as a passing option to Allsop (unless you want to break the rules by your own standards) Yes if the ball had been played to Jones earlier then maybe we dont concede there. Maybe we do. As you have said yourself every pass has risk. Jones could have easily cocked up the following pass and the same result happens.

We have seen the Allsop to Seri to Jones sequence countless times and on this occasion it ****ed up. To highlight it as some sort of prophecy that you have been foreseeing like Hull City's answer to Nostradamus is like I said tiring. I like many acknowledge the risk that comes with playing this way. For me the reward far outweighs the risk. You can point to the times it hasn't worked, I can point to many more where it has. Today was an unfortunate cock up.

As I said to another poster is we have often transitioned out of this playing out the back to get into good positions to waste them via recycling possession. We did it today as we didn't have someone to advance the ball.

 

[petersaxton]

That's a funny way of saying you were wrong.

what did I say that was wrong?

 

[petersaxton]

And if you re-read my post you will see that I agree with you on that point. However, our style is to invite the pressure that led to Wallace blocking off Jones as a passing option to Allsop (unless you want to break the rules by your own standards) Yes if the ball had been played to Jones earlier then maybe we dont concede there. Maybe we do. As you have said yourself every pass has risk. Jones could have easily cocked up the following pass and the same result happens.

We have seen the Allsop to Seri to Jones sequence countless times and on this occasion it ****ed up. To highlight it as some sort of prophecy that you have been foreseeing like Hull City's answer to Nostradamus is like I said tiring. I like many acknowledge the risk that comes with playing this way. For me the reward far outweighs the risk. You can point to the times it hasn't worked, I can point to many more where it has. Today was an unfortunate cock up.

As I said to another poster is we have often transitioned out of this playing out the back to get into good positions to waste them via recycling possession. We did it today as we didn't have someone to advance the ball.

what is the point of passing to Seri who passes to Jones who passes to Coyle or Morton when Allsop could pass to Coyle or Morton without all the risky passes in between?

 

[HCAFCHangout]

what did I say that was wrong?

This. By suggesting Allsop could have re-picked up the ball

that is wrong again
Allsop could just have picked the ball up and thrown it to whoever he wanted to
he didnt have to pass to Jones who was anyway standing a few yards to his right

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what is the point of passing to Seri who passes to Jones who passes to Coyle or Morton when Allsop could pass to Coyle or Morton without all the risky passes in between?

Because the sequence of Allsop to Seri to CB has worked over and over and over again

 

[petersaxton]

I guess that's why you're the manager.

Oh hang on.

you dont see the irony in what you have just said given your earlier comment?

 

[TwoWrights]

Looking on the 'bright side' of Seri's pass, Connolly wasn't on the pitch at the time.


The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.

 

[Amin Arrears]

Could anyone review the second half for me please?

Because first half was pretty decent.

 

[HCAFCHangout]

Could anyone review the second half for me please?

Because first half was pretty decent.

Good opening spell where we didnt really create a whole lot but had a fair whack of possession. Conceded a sloppy goal, conceded and even sloppier goal but from the second goal for them going in we just got outfought and outmuscled

 

[petersaxton]

This. By suggesting Allsop could have re-picked up the ball

I didnt say re-picked the ball up
Allsop dived to stop the cross and then picked the ball up
what was the advantage of dropping the ball to his feet and wasting the advantage of throwing it out rather than passing to Jones 5 yards to his right or passing to Seri who was surrounded?

 

[petersaxton]

Because the sequence of Allsop to Seri to CB has worked over and over and over again

With what advantage?

 

[HCAFCHangout]

With what advantage?

Talking to you is honestly like playing chess against a pigeon. I can make every correct move but you can just **** all over the board and strut your stuff as if you're correct.

Closing comment is that mistakes happen. Playing out from the back has worked despite your soap box rally cries to the void. Stop being miserable. Lets hope we batter huddersfield with Seri playing 700 sideways passes to Jones.

 

[petersaxton]

Talking to you is honestly like playing chess against a pigeon. I can make every correct move but you can just **** all over the board and strut your stuff as if you're correct.

Closing comment is that mistakes happen. Playing out from the back has worked despite your soap box rally cries to the void. Stop being miserable. Lets hope we batter huddersfield with Seri playing 700 sideways passes to Jones.

you have given up trying to justify your desire for pointless passes
you dont seem to realise that other teams play the ball out from the back quickly and create goalscoring chances

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

you have given up trying to justify your desire for pointless passes
you dont seem to realise that other teams play the ball out from the back quickly and create goalscoring chances

Bang a drum that only existed in 1970s school football.
Be our guest.

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

With what advantage?

Thank god for AI.

Hopefully it'll be less repetitive than this dumb bullshit.

Or at least lt'll put us out of our ****ing misery

 

[HCAFCHangout]

you have given up trying to justify your desire for pointless passes
you dont seem to realise that other teams play the ball out from the back quickly and create goalscoring chances

I dont have a desire for pointless passes. Nor do I think the sequence of play that led to their goal would have been pointless had it worked.
I do realise teams play differently to us and some play more efficiently and some play less efficiently. Shockingly that comes with being in 9th position.
You dont seem to realise that not every pass is going to be perfect and you're micro-analysing it.

I've said where this team struggles isn't the sequence that led to their first goal its when they have broken the press (which they did a fair few times today) is the team wasting the ball by passing it back rather than driving it forward. Last few weeks that hasn't happened as we often tried everything to get it to Philogene to allow him to drive with the ball (we did it against Saints in build up to our goal by playing around the back and it finding him in space). Difference is today when we did play the ball well and broke their press and got out wide Traore, Twine or Coyle who operated in those spaces did nothing with it. We sorely missed Philogene and Slater as players willing to pick the ball when the space has opened up and drive with it.

But sure pick out the first mistake we've made in a league game this season as the cataclysmic decline of this club