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Not until Hamas surrender, no. I do think the objective of showing Lebanon and Iran that Israel isn’t going to **** about has been achieved and they’ve rightly stayed out of it for the most part.

But no, I don’t think anyone can say what is adequate retribution for Oct 7th. If Hamas don’t want to surrender as they almost certainly never will then it will have to go on.
Hamas surrender, lol, where are they gonna get the money for their kids expensive foreign education if they do that, cos for sure Iran won't fund them any more.
 
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I've answered this twice before directly to you and each time you've not replied and ignored it, then you're back on saying the same thing. I've given a real world response and I really can't be arsed to repeat myself for a third time.

All I get from your posts is that you see things from a position very much aligned with Israel's needs or wants. I know the obstacles regarding Israel, I could start listing the real world obstacles for the Palestinians, things that are absolute red lines, but what would be the point? What do we do, all give up until Hamas lays down arms and the Israelis all feel safe enough to stop voting for every warmonger or ultranationalist fruitcake that becomes kingmaker?

As for anyone making the first move - these prerequisite conditions to peace talks is precisely why this cycle of death and destruction continues. In fact I'd go as far as to say it's a deliberate ploy to ensure peace talks DON'T happen. The first step is a ceasefire on BOTH sides, and then everything follows from that. The people who have died cannot be brought back, but at least those who will be killed tomorrow can be saved. Or what, we continue with this nightmare and all it leads to is more of the same from both sides.

1405 ppl killed in Israel.

Of those 29 are children, I don't know how many are injured.

240 hostages in Gaza, their families going through a living hell.

7703 ppl killed in Gaza.

Of those 3527 children killed, not including the 954 listed as missing under the rubble. Another 6500 injured.

2.2 million held hostage in Gaza.

Pregnant women dying in airstrikes. One who was 6 months pregnant blown to bits and her sister lying on the sidewalk screaming with uncontrollable grief at the camera. But not to worry there's still another 50,000 left to take out.

A family in a car deliberately blown to bits by a tank as they were taking the road to southern Gaza.

Have Israel not had enough revenge mate?

Have you not had your pound of flesh?

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All of those demands are 'what Israel wants'

But for any real lasting peace to endure, Israel will have to reconcile that it is going to have to give up far more that it is currently prepared to even admit.
 
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Looks like you'll have to wait a bit longer before you open that resort on the Gaza beaches mate.
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All of those demands are 'what Israel wants'

But for any real lasting peace to endure, Israel will have to reconcile that it is going to have to give up far more that it is currently prepared to even admit.

My point is, that we don't need to be talking about who gives up what.

Why talk about this, it's a complete distraction.

We've not even got to a point where there have been any meaningful peace talks in a generation. That should be the main priority.
 
Sounds like a plan.

Retribution is a door that swings both ways.

We'll wait for the sign above the door to change from Hamas to something else then.

Maybe but in the absence of a better plan it’s the only one to go with for now. If they could sort it out between Hamas and the IDF in a big field miles away from anyone that’d be grand.
 
Maybe but in the absence of a better plan it’s the only one to go with for now. If they could sort it out between Hamas and the IDF in a big field miles away from anyone that’d be grand.

They could do mate, maybe get the Gazan orphans who'll be tomorrow's fighters/terrorists out in the field too and get rid of them n' all.

Or they could all call a ceasefire like they have countless times before in previous conflicts, but unlike before actually hold negotiations to a settlement.
 
Looks like you'll have to wait a bit longer before you open that resort on the Gaza beaches mate.


My point is, that we don't need to be talking about who gives up what.

Why talk about this, it's a complete distraction.

We've not even got to a point where there have been any meaningful peace talks in a generation. That should be the main priority.

Obviously I'm talking about a way down the road, and yes peace talks need to come before any of that.

I was just watching a clip from Channel 4 news where Mustafa Barghouti from the Palestinian legislative council had outlined where Netanyahu's one agenda has been to kill any peace agreements. Israel doesn't want peace. And in Barghouti's words, Israel has offered them either an aparthied state or ethnic cleansing

The rebuilding of my Water Park is going to have to wait .....
 
I'll put myself in Israel's shoes for a moment, would I ceasefire, not a chance. If it's not Hamas it will be someone else, so the only way to get the message across is to obliterate Hamas, they are the ones choosing to put Palestinians in the way.

There is no two state solution, people are kidding themselves, because Hamas have made it very clear long before 7th Oct, that they will not stop until Israel no longer exists.

So Israel has no choice, hit back hard and make sure all those with a vested interest, knows what will happen if a 7th Oct ever occurs again. The world will not forget if the terrorists of the world want to harm Israel, they will hit them so hard they will not get up again.

The biggest guidance in all this is Hamas still have the hostages, but Israel is not letting them be used as some sort of bargaining chip, just so Hamas can carrying on doing what they do, smashing them is the only answer.

Even Iran knows not to breath in the wrong direction now, so the message is clearly getting across. Afterall if it was your family who was butchered on the 7th Oct, would any of you want to sit down and negotiate, I know I wouldn't, they wanted to open the gates of hell, so here we are.
 
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All of those demands are 'what Israel wants'

But for any real lasting peace to endure, Israel will have to reconcile that it is going to have to give up far more that it is currently prepared to even admit.
And Hamas want the complete destruction of Israel, where's the compromise to be found in that? Everytime one is made, and there have been plenty that restore a lot of Palestine lands, it generally gets answered with bombs and rockets aimed at civilian areas and 'death to Israel'.
There is no compromise or path to peace with Hamas.
 
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They could do mate, maybe get the Gazan orphans who'll be tomorrow's fighters/terrorists out in the field too and get rid of them n' all.

Or they could all call a ceasefire like they have countless times before in previous conflicts, but unlike before actually hold negotiations to a settlement.

Yeah that would be fine.

A two state solution doesn’t work. While there are Jews next door, Hamas and Hezbollah won’t be nice neighbours. Ceasefires work for a bit until they don’t. War doesn’t cure anything for Israel but it keeps its people safer than they otherwise would be.
 
And Hamas want the complete destruction of Israel, where's the compromise to be found in that? Everytime one is made, and there have been plenty that restore a lot of Palestine lands, it generally gets answered with bombs and rockets aimed at civilian areas and 'death to Israel'.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but there's not been any constructive two state solution or one state power sharing solution offered.

But yes I agree, a world where there is peace in the region makes no room for Hamas.

Then again you have to ask, would Hamas exist or have the traction they have, if Israel's illegal occupation and apartheid regime didn't exist ?
 
Yeah that would be fine.

A two state solution doesn’t work. While there are Jews next door, Hamas and Hezbollah won’t be nice neighbours. Ceasefires work for a bit until they don’t. War doesn’t cure anything for Israel but it keeps its people safer than they otherwise would be.

Sounds like a Bibi election campaign <laugh>