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Welshie said:
Oof he's a grumpy one

Direct your cry arsing to Saf

He's the one who thinks your a nazi
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Da **** <laugh>

I dont think he likes jews/israel but that doesn't mean I think he's sat there in Cornwall building a big oven so he can start snatching any jews who happen to pass by lol
 
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PINKIE said:
With respect mate, you can **** right off with that accusation.

There's nothing I've ever said that is racist against Jews. I don't agree with the policies of the Israeli state and their persecution of Palestinians, and that is a ****ing million miles away from being Anti-Semitic
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<laugh>
 
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Saf said:
Da **** <laugh>

I dont think he likes jews/israel but that doesn't mean I think he's sat there in Cornwall building a big oven so he can start snatching any jews who happen to pass by lol
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I know <laugh>

I was tryna wind him up tbh

But for the record you think he's a moderate nazi <whistle>

My work here is done
 
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Welshie said:
I know <laugh>

I was tryna wind him up tbh

But for the record you think he's a moderate nazi <whistle>

My work here is done
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Aye, he'd guard the gates at Auschwitz but he wouldn't turn the showers on. One of them sort of fellas.

It shows how much of a nice guy he really is though when he has to tell someone respectfully to **** off <laugh>
 
Saf said:
Aye, he'd guard the gates at Auschwitz but he wouldn't turn the showers on. One of them sort of fellas.

It shows how much of a nice guy he really is though when he has to tell someone respectfully to **** off <laugh>
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Listen we just buried the hatchet I don't want any part of this <laugh>
 
Welshie said:
If I did that you've done a **** job

First thing you replied is that he isn't a nazi <laugh>
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Yeah, I did do a **** job cos I couldn't carry through with it.

**** putting this on me now ya dick <laugh>
 
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Saf said:
Da **** <laugh>

I dont think he likes jews/israel but that doesn't mean I think he's sat there in Cornwall building a big oven so he can start snatching any jews who happen to pass by lol
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Lol … I might be <laugh>

It’s not even a Jew issue, I think that’s the thing that gets conflated with Israel’s actions and then all the anti semitic accusations come out.

I also think that Israel encourages that narrative in order to hide behind anti semitism.

What i do have a massive ****ing problem with though what Israel are doing to Palestine.
 
PINKIE said:
Lol … I might be <laugh>

It’s not even a Jew issue, I think that’s the thing that gets conflated with Israel’s actions and then all the anti semitic accusations come out.

I also think that Israel encourages that narrative in order to hide behind anti semitism.

What i do have a massive ****ing problem with though what Israel are doing to Palestine.
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There you go again mate, the racism is spilling out of you once more <laugh>
 
Citizen Kane. said:
I sympathise with this point and have said many times that I don't see settlements or their expansion as conducive at all to bringing peace.

But every single point you or I raise will always be a chicken and egg question, as the 'other side' will always have a counter claim to make that hinges on exactly the same point.

International law should be applied equally. Therefore, Hamas should immediately and unconditionally recognise Israel's right to exist and remove the multiple clauses from its Charter that contradict this. It should also immediately release the hostages it holds in breach of international law.

The point I keep raising is that international law and its application in the real world of a democracy first and foremost requires the majority of that democracy's public to want the application of international law.

Speeches and drafts drawn up in New York, Geneva or the Hague count for **** if ultimately they make the Israeli public feel unsafe.

This is such basic political philosophy I'm genuinely staggered how few people seem to take it into account.

The equation in short:

The Israeli public won't want the application of international law if it makes them feel less safe.

This is so, so simple.

The trick is how to break the cycle of people like Netanyahu getting into office over and over again.

The key to that, in a democracy with one of the most open and fair voting systems in the world with very, very few 'wasted votes' (some might argue that this very openness is part of the problem), is the general public: How do we get them to believe in peace again?

Once the Israeli public believes in peace again, you'll see more Rabins and Peres, and fewer Netanyahus and Ben Gvirs.

And in this question, Israelis will only vote for the next Rabin or Peres if they feel safe in the knowledge that whatever concessions are made, they won't wake up one morning to news that their brother and his wife have been beheaded and their children abducted from their beds.

You are determined and fixated on Israel making the first move. But that isn't how a democracy works. A democracy is fundamentally selfish. People vote for what they think best serves their interests.

Perhaps Hamas needs to make the first move? Perhaps by releasing the 229 hostages unconditionally and immediately recognising Israel as a sovereign state along the 1967 borders, Hamas itself will go a long way to turning the opinion on the streets of Tel Aviv?
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I've answered this twice before directly to you and each time you've not replied and ignored it, then you're back on saying the same thing. I've given a real world response and I really can't be arsed to repeat myself for a third time.

All I get from your posts is that you see things from a position very much aligned with Israel's needs or wants. I know the obstacles regarding Israel, I could start listing the real world obstacles for the Palestinians, things that are absolute red lines, but what would be the point? What do we do, all give up until Hamas lays down arms and the Israelis all feel safe enough to stop voting for every warmonger or ultranationalist fruitcake that becomes kingmaker?

As for anyone making the first move - these prerequisite conditions to peace talks is precisely why this cycle of death and destruction continues. In fact I'd go as far as to say it's a deliberate ploy to ensure peace talks DON'T happen. The first step is a ceasefire on BOTH sides, and then everything follows from that. The people who have died cannot be brought back, but at least those who will be killed tomorrow can be saved. Or what, we continue with this nightmare and all it leads to is more of the same from both sides.

1405 ppl killed in Israel.

Of those 29 are children, I don't know how many are injured.

240 hostages in Gaza, their families going through a living hell.

7703 ppl killed in Gaza.

Of those 3527 children killed, not including the 954 listed as missing under the rubble. Another 6500 injured.

2.2 million held hostage in Gaza.

Pregnant women dying in airstrikes. One who was 6 months pregnant blown to bits and her sister lying on the sidewalk screaming with uncontrollable grief at the camera. But not to worry there's still another 50,000 left to take out.

A family in a car deliberately blown to bits by a tank as they were taking the road to southern Gaza.

Have Israel not had enough revenge mate?

Have you not had your pound of flesh?
 
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Treble said:
I've answered this twice before directly to you and each time you've not replied and ignored it, then you're back on saying the same thing. I've given a real world response and I really can't be arsed to repeat myself for a third time.

All I get from your posts is that you see things from a position very much aligned with Israel's needs or wants. I know the obstacles regarding Israel, I could start listing the real world obstacles for the Palestinians, things that are absolute red lines, but what would be the point? What do we do, all give up until Hamas lays down arms and the Israelis all feel safe enough to stop voting for every warmonger or ultranationalist fruitcake that becomes kingmaker?

As for anyone making the first move - these prerequisite conditions to peace talks is precisely why this cycle of death and destruction continues. In fact I'd go as far as to say it's a deliberate ploy to ensure peace talks DON'T happen. The first step is a ceasefire on BOTH sides, and then everything follows from that. The people who have died cannot be brought back, but at least those who will be killed tomorrow can be saved. Or what, we continue with this nightmare and all it leads to is more of the same from both sides.

1405 ppl killed in Israel.

Of those 29 are children, I don't know how many are injured.

240 hostages in Gaza, their families going through a living hell.

7703 ppl killed in Gaza.

Of those 3527 children killed, not including the 954 listed as missing under the rubble. Another 6500 injured.

2.2 million held hostage in Gaza.

Pregnant women dying in airstrikes. One who was 6 months pregnant blown to bits and her sister lying on the sidewalk screaming with uncontrollable grief at the camera. But not to worry there's still another 50,000 left to take out.

A family in a car deliberately blown to bits by a tank as they were taking the road to southern Gaza.

Have Israel not had enough revenge mate?

Have you not had your pound of flesh?
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Not until Hamas surrender, no. I do think the objective of showing Lebanon and Iran that Israel isn’t going to **** about has been achieved and they’ve rightly stayed out of it for the most part.

But no, I don’t think anyone can say what is adequate retribution for Oct 7th. If Hamas don’t want to surrender as they almost certainly never will then it will have to go on.
 
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Bwood_Ranger said:
Not until Hamas surrender, no. I do think the objective of showing Lebanon and Iran that Israel isn’t going to **** about has been achieved and they’ve rightly stayed out of it for the most part.

But no, I don’t think anyone can say what is adequate retribution for Oct 7th. If Hamas don’t want to surrender as they almost certainly never will then it will have to go on.
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Honest question

Why should they surrender ?
 
Bwood_Ranger said:
Not until Hamas surrender, no. I do think the objective of showing Lebanon and Iran that Israel isn’t going to **** about has been achieved and they’ve rightly stayed out of it for the most part.

But no, I don’t think anyone can say what is adequate retribution for Oct 7th. If Hamas don’t want to surrender as they almost certainly never will then it will have to go on.
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Sounds like a plan.

Retribution is a door that swings both ways.

We'll wait for the sign above the door to change from Hamas to something else then.
 
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