Excusing it whilst aiding and abetting it, with arms, money and political backing instead of cheerleading then The world is still watching even if communications are down in Gaza Hamas attack was retribution for years of oppression, Israel's attack is retribution for that. And we have psychopaths continuing the cycle of violence
Not at all, you just want to play tag team with people who agree with you. Just because I don't say the things you want to hear, does not mean I do not care or do not think of those alternatives, but I'm not going to conform to how you would like me to express myself. Plenty of ungrieved genocides in the 21st Century... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history_(21st_century) As I said I've not once spoken ill of Palestinians. I agree the bombing should stop, but there's still an elephant in the room, one big fooking elephant, and that's terrorist groups that think they can play us for their evil aims. They've never hidden the fact they would wipe Israel off the map, and they wouldn't give a second thought to chopping me or you up into little bits, like they didn't care who they were butchering on the 7th Oct, that included Brits and Americans.
I really couldn't give a **** what you (or anyone else) say's, i only answer what i read and how i interperate it. Do Israel give a **** about who they are killing (on a much bigger scale) when they are carpet bombing Gaza (including Brits and Americans plus quite a few other nationalities) I made an analogy the other night (although on a much smaller scale), the IRA terrorists (or freedom fighters as many seen them and Hamas) bombed the English mainland indiscrinately killing innocent people, they were backed by a lot of people in Belfast. Would you have thought it proportionate and right for us to bomb the **** out of Belfast? No you wouldn't and neither would any other sane person so why do you think it's ok in this case (since you seem to keep finding excuses for it)?
Well as you mention it, I still remember quite clearly when the IRA bombed a pub in Maidstone in 1975, I also remember when they blew up a load of kids in 1989 at Deal Barracks that were part of the musical corp. What did I think at the time, cowardly scum as I think of Hamas today using human shields, cowardly scum. I never said it was right to bomb Palestinians, I merely have stated all along that Hamas need obliterating, likewise I really couldn't give a **** what you think either. I will express my opinion and if you don't like it, don't read it, scroll to the posts that say the things you do like to read and make you happy. One last thing before I go to bed, I don't remember seeing your tears over Mauripol, the place where tens of thousands died, where we also virtually encouraged a war that led to a massacre, I'm trying to think what is different about this war, hmmm. Night x
Maybe one is a war between two countries albeit one started it, and the other is a massacre of innocent people with no means of defending themselves?
That’s a shame for them. They don’t give a **** when Hamas are attacking Israel or killing Israelis. Why would Israel give a **** about people that hate them. Like Israel said what’s happening to Palestine now is down to Hamas. It’s up to them to stop attacking the Israeli citizens with rockets or at least build their own people a bomb shelter for when the expected reply comes. I have nothing against either side. The only difference between them is the weaponry. If the Palestinians were armed like Israel and Israel were like the Palestinians with the homemade rockets and catapults, do you think the Palestinians would treat the Israelis any different? I don’t and that’s why I’d never take a side in this. They hate each other. They never want to live near each other. It’s not going to stop so **** them all, as long as we keep out of it.
Of course not as you will know. That kind of ignores what i am saying though, at the moment we have a terrorist group making quick raids to kill many civillians countered by a fully equipped military retalliating by wiping out a large area of civillian population along with the infrastrucure. Way disproportionate in my view. With the military capability at their disposal the Israeli's should roll into Gaza with tanks and armoured personell carriers and clean out/destroy the tunnels. This would negate (to a large extent) the need for the atrrocious barbaric slaughter of civillians and their property.
The only thing I care about and what makes the difference is international law and the 50+ years illegal occupation. Regardless of what's happening now, it's not limited to Gaza, it's the West Bank as well. None of this changes the fact that racial discrimination means people are having their homes bulldozed by court order and handed over to Israelis, people are being taken and imprisoned without charge (for years in many cases), children are being killed by soldiers on the streets of Nablus and Jenin, settlers are taking over people's land in East Jerusalem and the West Bank. There has in effect been systematic ethnic cleansing going on for decades. Human rights has become a dirty phrase in recent years, but if ever there was a people in the modern world that have had their human rights, their dignity, and their right to self determination, taken away, the Palestinians are right up there. And if it was any other country in the world doing what Israel has been for the past 50+ yrs it would be considered a pariah state (as we're seeing now with Russia). In that sense I'll back the oppressed not the oppressor. I also detest the double standards our leaders have over these things as well. It's pathetic the way they present faux righteousness in their defence for some when it suits them while ignoring other equally serious cases when it doesn't.
‘Thousands in Gaza break into aid centres and take supplies, UN says‘ True colours starting to show now. Nothing but thieves and rioters.
I was thinking the other day at the blockaded gates, why don't soldiers/people pass them food and water through, fook the authorities. Would be nice to see the human touch of those there take the act of kindness into their own hands. If not, as they are doing now, raid the supplies, fook it.
‘We are watching live scenes as the scousers caught up in the war when visiting family in Gaza are storming shops and trying to pinch the turrets from the Israeli tanks’
It would be great but can you imagine the leaders on both sides seeing their soldiers looking after the other side? They’d be in deep ****.
I sympathise with this point and have said many times that I don't see settlements or their expansion as conducive at all to bringing peace. But every single point you or I raise will always be a chicken and egg question, as the 'other side' will always have a counter claim to make that hinges on exactly the same point. International law should be applied equally. Therefore, Hamas should immediately and unconditionally recognise Israel's right to exist and remove the multiple clauses from its Charter that contradict this. It should also immediately release the hostages it holds in breach of international law. The point I keep raising is that international law and its application in the real world of a democracy first and foremost requires the majority of that democracy's public to want the application of international law. Speeches and drafts drawn up in New York, Geneva or the Hague count for **** if ultimately they make the Israeli public feel unsafe. This is such basic political philosophy I'm genuinely staggered how few people seem to take it into account. The equation in short: The Israeli public won't want the application of international law if it makes them feel less safe. This is so, so simple. The trick is how to break the cycle of people like Netanyahu getting into office over and over again. The key to that, in a democracy with one of the most open and fair voting systems in the world with very, very few 'wasted votes' (some might argue that this very openness is part of the problem), is the general public: How do we get them to believe in peace again? Once the Israeli public believes in peace again, you'll see more Rabins and Peres, and fewer Netanyahus and Ben Gvirs. And in this question, Israelis will only vote for the next Rabin or Peres if they feel safe in the knowledge that whatever concessions are made, they won't wake up one morning to news that their brother and his wife have been beheaded and their children abducted from their beds. You are determined and fixated on Israel making the first move. But that isn't how a democracy works. A democracy is fundamentally selfish. People vote for what they think best serves their interests. Perhaps Hamas needs to make the first move? Perhaps by releasing the 229 hostages unconditionally and immediately recognising Israel as a sovereign state along the 1967 borders, Hamas itself will go a long way to turning the opinion on the streets of Tel Aviv?
