Watched the presser with Sec Def and the Israeli defence fella the other day and it was quite interesting. Paraphrasing but Sec Def basically said 'if anybody else gets involved and backs Hamas.....don't'. I reckon the Americans are ready to rock and roll here. Won't be long before this goes absolutely berserk.
At the end of ww2, millions of Jews were stateless; reluctant to return to the countries they had been transported from, countries that were just as reluctant to have them back. The reasons were a mixture of anti-semitism and economic. Some European economies that were in ruins didnt want the responsibility of housing and feeding the Jews, who themselves had had enough of being persecuted. So the movement for their own land grew and they made their way to what is now Israel. Of course, the incumbent occupants of the land objected. Fearing a bloodbath, the United Nations “appointed” the British to stop the Jewish influx and to keep the two sides apart. The Jews violently resented our attempts to stop them and took action into their own hands, resulting in two famous acts of terrorism. In one, three British army sergeants (who possibly had risked their own lives to help free the Jews from the concentration camps) were taken, on their way back from a night out and hanged from lamp posts. The other infamous incident was the Jewish bombing of the Saint David’s Hotel, killing British military personnel, women and children. The rest is history. I’m not an expert in these matters, far from it, what I’ve just said is from what memory I have left of that time.
I've always been told the Israelis have an efficient and well armed defence force. Their special forces are reputed to be some of the best in the world. They have a fanatical enemy, on their border, who want to kill them all. So how on earth have they left themselves so wide open to an attack on this scale ... ... it's so bizarre it'll get the conspiracy addicts claiming Israel staged it to justify attacking Gaza. If I was Israeli I'd be furious with Benjamin Netanyahu.
Agree...someone took their eye off the ball in the build up to this attack, it must have been months in the planning.
There certainly seems to have been a lapse by Mosad - and by U.S. satellite observation teams, who work hand-in-glove. I’m not a “conspiracy addict” Smug, and I certainly can’t picture the Mosad and Israeli government colluding to allow the slaughter of their own people just so they could have an excuse to attack Gaza and possibly spark a middle-east wide conflict. But something doesn’t smell right. I’ve always been led to believe that if an enemy of Israel went for a ****, the entire Israeli security force would hold their nose because they were so well informed of the enemies actions. The Brits have spies embedded all over the Middle East ( or are reputed to have). The yanks have 24 hour arial surveillance. But the force that attacked Israel may have been too small to be detected. Maybe the terrorists were too smart on this occasion. Who knows? But I agree 100% with you about the population of Israel being angry with their government and intelligence services.
Every war Israel has waged since 1948 has had the same objective: expulsion of the native people. John Pilger on the dagan Plan and Gaza under fire. “When the truth is replaced by silence,” the Soviet dissident Yevgeny Yevtushenko said, “the silence is a lie.” It may appear that the silence on Gaza is broken. The small cocoons of murdered children, wrapped in green, together with boxes containing their dismembered parents, and the cries of grief and rage of everyone in that death camp by the sea can be witnessed on al-Jazeera and YouTube, even glimpsed on the BBC. But Russia’s incorrigible poet was not referring to the ephemera we call news; he was asking why those who knew the why never spoke it, and so denied it. Among the Anglo-American intelligentsia, this is especially striking. It is they who hold the keys to the great storehouses of knowledge: the historiographies and archives that lead us to the why. They know that the horror now raining on Gaza has little to do with Hamas or, absurdly, “Israel’s right to exist”. They know the opposite to be true: that Palestine’s right to exist was cancelled 61 years ago and that the expulsion and, if necessary, extinction of the indigenous people was planned and executed by the founders of Israel. They know, for example, that the infamous “Plan D” of 1947-48 resulted in the murderous depopulation of 369 Palestinian towns and villages by the Haganah (Israeli army) and that massacre upon massacre of Palestinian civilians in such places as Deir Yassin, al-Dawayima, Eilaboun, Jish, Ramle and Lydda are referred to in official records as “ethnic cleansing”. Arriving at a scene of this carnage, David Ben-Gurion, Israel’s first prime minister, was asked by a general, Yigal Allon: “What shall we do with the Arabs?” Ben-Gurion, reported the Israeli historian Benny Morris, “made a dismissive, energetic gesture with his hand and said, ‘Expel them'”. This was written in 2009 no idea if it is true or not, but there is a lot more if anyone is interested
If not on X, the show more link details the following.... - 2 Aircraft Carriers USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78) USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN-69) - 2 Ticonderoga-Class Cruisers USS Normandy (CG-60) USS Philippines Sea (CG-58) - 7 Arleigh Burke-Class Destroyers USS Thomas Hudner (DDG-116) USS Ramage (DDG-61) USS Carney (DDG-64) USS Roosevelt (DDG-80) USS Laboon (DDG-58) USS Mason (DDG-87) USS Gravely (DDG-107) - 1 Type-45 Air Defense Destroyer HMS Duncan (D-37) - 5 Frigates ESPS Méndez Núñez (F-104) FS Surcouf (F-711) ITS Carlo Margottini (F-592) TCG Yavuz (F-240) HS Psara (F-454) - 2 Landing Support Ships RFA Lyme Bay RFA Argus As well as an untold number of Submarines, Supply Ships, Aircraft and other Surface Ships which may also enter or be ordered to the Eastern Mediterranean over the next week, in my opinion this is much more than just Posturing for an Israeli Invasion of Gaza.
There's always a submarine or two knocking about. I was working the night the Queen Elizabeth carrier launched. The amount of anti-submarine aircraft I spoke to that night was unbelievable. All it did was go under the Forth road bridge
Thats the worrying bit though, there's 19 vessels named in that X post so what else is going on under the radar? **** will hit the fan very very soon and this threads title will be very very accurate.
If it does come we in the West in for a rude awakening. The last of the Cold War guys are long gone, and I'm part of the generation on from that who've gotten so pissed off with the declining standards that we've bailed out. I'll be like Rasczack from Starship Troopers if it kicks off, and I'm not even that hard
A warning to the Russians not to intervene, do you think? Or a warning to other Arab states to keep out of it?
Sunak's latest ill considered headline grabbing promise will bite him, and all of us, on the arse. I, for one, don't support Israel indiscriminately bombing residential areas, hospitals, schools, etc. I don't support them cutting off water to Gaza or forcing a mass evacuation of innocent civilians. It's all the direct equivalent of doing it to Northern Ireland because of terrorist activity. And what happens if their actions become worse when the ground troops move in, which they will ... ... seriously, you can never promise total unending support to any country let alone one with Israel's erratic record. Sunak needs to start thinking before he opens his mouth and makes these endless irrational promises. "Rishi Sunak has voiced “unequivocal” UK support for Israel “not just today, not just tomorrow, but always” in a lengthy statement to mark one week since Hamas militants murdered 1,300 Israeli civilians and soldiers, and took more than 150 people hostage."
Possibly. although Russia has enough on its plate atm., dont you think, i just hope its more of a humanitarian mission although I am doubtful tbh.
This is looking very grim indeed. Iran saying war will spread. Hamas firing missiles at Jerusalem. Hezbollah skirmishes. I wish I understood enough about the state of affairs in that region to understand, but I watch the news and find it terrifying.
