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Wow. Not any team can be relegated, in theory yes, in principle no. We should've been nowhere near relegation, ever.

The threat of administration was brought on by Adam Pearson, y'know, the guy who A. Employed Ian Dowie and B. Wanted us to go into administration.

Thanks Allams, but I'll be thanking you even more if you bring in a decent management team.

reality bypass still operative then. looking forward to you eating your words in the next year or two because neither pearson is leaving. still waiting for your to bcak up your claim that brown had the remotest chance of keeping us up last season. some maths and stats would be nice. funny how you took a weeks board holiday when i asked you that.
 
reality bypass still operative then. looking forward to you eating your words in the next year or two because neither pearson is leaving. still waiting for your to bcak up your claim that brown had the remotest chance of keeping us up last season. some maths and stats would be nice. funny how you took a weeks board holiday when i asked you that.

AP will leave sooner rather than later IMO, if he doesn't we'll have this discussion in 12 months time when the club hasn't progressed at all.

We were 5 points from safety when we got relegated, IMO Brown would have beaten Burnley and Sunderland at home, maybe even Wigan and Portsmouth away. Remember we'd only lost to Arsenal and Man Utd at home when he was sacked.

I'd give you stats, but you know as well as I do that you can make statistics say anything you want them too, half my degree's doing it.
 
Phil Brown was given every chance last year, blaming Pearson for us getting relegated is nonsense. We have spent most of this season shipping, or trying to ship out Phil Browns crap signings, Dowie didn't keep us up but he wasn't helped by the players he was working with.
 
AP will leave sooner rather than later IMO, if he doesn't we'll have this discussion in 12 months time when the club hasn't progressed at all.

We were 5 points from safety when we got relegated, IMO Brown would have beaten Burnley and Sunderland at home, maybe even Wigan and Portsmouth away. Remember we'd only lost to Arsenal and Man Utd at home when he was sacked.

I'd give you stats, but you know as well as I do that you can make statistics say anything you want them too, half my degree's doing it.

I'll give you a stat, Iain Dowie's win rate at Hull City in the 2009/10 season was far better than Phil Brown's.

I hate Dowie, I think he's a completely talentless ****er, but he only had 9 games to save our season, Brownie had 29 and his record was appalling.

Brownie managed 1.21 points per game, Dowie managed 1.5 points per game.

Perhaps a maths student can put a gloss on those figures, but it won't change the fact that Brownie was a complete disaster in our second season and we were relegated long before Dowie arrived. I wish Dowie had never arrived, I was embarrassed that we appointed him, but he still did better than Brownie, which just about says it all.

I'm not surprised that you think Pearson will be leaving soon, you're a ****ing idiot. <ok>
 
I'll give you a stat, Iain Dowie's win rate at Hull City in the 2009/10 season was far better than Phil Brown's.

I hate Dowie, I think he's a completely talentless ****er, but he only had 9 games to save our season, Brownie had 29 and his record was appalling.

Brownie managed 1.21 points per game, Dowie managed 1.5 points per game.

Perhaps a maths student can put a gloss on those figures, but it won't change the fact that Brownie was a complete disaster in our second season and we were relegated long before Dowie arrived. I wish Dowie had never arrived, I was embarrassed that we appointed him, but he still did better than Brownie, which just about says it all.

I'm not surprised that you think Pearson will be leaving soon, you're a ****ing idiot. <ok>

Language Timothy
 
AP will leave sooner rather than later IMO, if he doesn't we'll have this discussion in 12 months time when the club hasn't progressed at all.

We were 5 points from safety when we got relegated, IMO Brown would have beaten Burnley and Sunderland at home, maybe even Wigan and Portsmouth away. Remember we'd only lost to Arsenal and Man Utd at home when he was sacked.

I'd give you stats, but you know as well as I do that you can make statistics say anything you want them too, half my degree's doing it.


we needed 12 points from the last 9 games. the only time we'd managed that in 17 months was when bullard had his player of the month spell last season. there was no chance whatsoever of a repeat especially without bullard. its that simple. the season before brown had got us something like 2 points from the final 9 games. saying "we should have beaten sunderland and burnley" means nothing - we never would have. in our whole pl time our worst record against anybody was against sunderland. you think brown would win us away games????????????????????? with his record? the first season ever that we failed to win an away game and you think two away wins would have magically appeared to save us if brown was still playing his ultra attacking 4-5-1?
this was our record when brown was sacked
19th Hull City 29 H 5 5 4 19 22 A 0 4 11 8 39 24pts gd -34
so it wasnt only man u and arsenal that had beaten us at home.
 

i know your making an effort but preceeding stuff with IMO is quite meaningless as you have little or no grasp on reality little or no mathematical awareness and you are deluded as well.
 
I'll give you a stat, Iain Dowie's win rate at Hull City in the 2009/10 season was far better than Phil Brown's.

I hate Dowie, I think he's a completely talentless ****er, but he only had 9 games to save our season, Brownie had 29 and his record was appalling.
We still had every chance of staying up, what did you expect? For us to qualify for Europe that season? If anything Brown was a victim of his own success.

Brownie managed 1.21 points per game, Dowie managed 1.5 points per game.

Perhaps a maths student can put a gloss on those figures, but it won't change the fact that Brownie was a complete disaster in our second season and we were relegated long before Dowie arrived. I wish Dowie had never arrived, I was embarrassed that we appointed him, but he still did better than Brownie, which just about says it all.
That's based on the presumption that every game was as easy to win as the other, which is absurd. See, this is the problem with statistics.

The only "big team" Dowie had to face was Liverpool, if by big team we mean the traditional big four, so that's 7 games Brown had to play against the big four, compared to Dowie's one.

Here's some more statistics for you, seen as though you think manipulating info is a valid argument:

Brown's win ratio: 17.2%
Dowie's win ratio: 11.1%

I'm not surprised that you think Pearson will be leaving soon, you're a ****ing idiot. <ok>
I'm just glad we're able to discuss in a mature and sensible fashion.
 
we needed 12 points from the last 9 games. the only time we'd managed that in 17 months was when bullard had his player of the month spell last season. there was no chance whatsoever of a repeat especially without bullard. its that simple. the season before brown had got us something like 2 points from the final 9 games. saying "we should have beaten sunderland and burnley" means nothing - we never would have. in our whole pl time our worst record against anybody was against sunderland. you think brown would win us away games????????????????????? with his record? the first season ever that we failed to win an away game and you think two away wins would have magically appeared to save us if brown was still playing his ultra attacking 4-5-1?
this was our record when brown was sacked
19th Hull City 29 H 5 5 4 19 22 A 0 4 11 8 39 24pts gd -34
so it wasnt only man u and arsenal that had beaten us at home.

I know, my honest bad, I read that somewhere and picked up on it. Obviously wrong when you look at it.
 
We still had every chance of staying up, what did you expect? For us to qualify for Europe that season? If anything Brown was a victim of his own success.

That's based on the presumption that every game was as easy to win as the other, which is absurd. See, this is the problem with statistics.

The only "big team" Dowie had to face was Liverpool, if by big team we mean the traditional big four, so that's 7 games Brown had to play against the big four, compared to Dowie's one.

Here's some more statistics for you, seen as though you think manipulating info is a valid argument:

Brown's win ratio: 17.2%
Dowie's win ratio: 11.1%


I'm just glad we're able to discuss in a mature and sensible fashion.

Of course I didn't expect us to qualify for Europe, it's comments like that, that drive me to suggest that you're not very bright.

If we compare the results that Dowie got, with the results that Brownie got(for the reserve fixtures), then Brownie got 7 points and Dowie got 6.

Brownie had 29 games to keep us up, he blew it, we won less games than any other team in the Premier League. Was that Brownie's fault, was it Dowie's, was it Adam's?

You are blind to reason, you spout garbage about people you don't like for no good reason and I remain of the opinion that you're a ****ing idiot.
 
Of course I didn't expect us to qualify for Europe, it's comments like that, that drive me to suggest that you're not very bright.
Well what did you expect then? You obviously didn't expect us to struggle.

If we compare the results that Dowie got, with the results that Brownie got(for the reserve fixtures), then Brownie got 7 points and Dowie got 6.

Brownie had 29 games to keep us up, he blew it, we won less games than any other team in the Premier League. Was that Brownie's fault, was it Dowie's, was it Adam's?
I don't think he did blow it though, we had more chance of staying up with him in charge than we did Dowie, we certainly weren't 5 points from safety when he left, which leads me to believe we got worse under Dowie. It's not unreasonable to think that Brown could have beaten Burnley and Sunderland at home.

You are blind to reason, you spout garbage about people you don't like for no good reason and I remain of the opinion that you're a ****ing idiot.
No, what you mean is you don't agree with me, can't give any real reasons, so resort to insulting me. I give reasons as to why I don't like the Pearsons and Barmby, obviously you disagree, hey ho, **** happens, but then you go and spout off at other people's perceived lack of intelligence, when you can't grasp the simple fact that not everybody agrees with you. I have seriously no idea how you get along in life (if you actually do), when this is how you react when somebody disagrees with you.
 
Thats the downside of the Premiership years, we picked up clueless plastic fans like this TWF character, who thinks we should be playing like Barcelona in the Championship.
 
Thats the downside of the Premiership years, we picked up clueless plastic fans like this TWF character, who thinks we should be playing like Barcelona in the Championship.
With Browny, Duffin and Bartlett back in the lead.
It took them aprox. 3 years to shaft our club then, but now with practice , probably get the time scale down to 12 - 18 months.
Thank God twy's dream is our nightmare, but we can wake up from it!!!!
 
Well what did you expect then? You obviously didn't expect us to struggle.

Of course I expected us to struggle, we bought a load of **** players.

I don't think he did blow it though, we had more chance of staying up with him in charge than we did Dowie, we certainly weren't 5 points from safety when he left, which leads me to believe we got worse under Dowie. It's not unreasonable to think that Brown could have beaten Burnley and Sunderland at home.

I wouldn't have sacked Brownie when we did, I wouldn't have appointed Dowie under any circumstances, but the reality is that they were both ****ing useless last season.

No, what you mean is you don't agree with me, can't give any real reasons, so resort to insulting me. I give reasons as to why I don't like the Pearsons and Barmby, obviously you disagree, hey ho, **** happens, but then you go and spout off at other people's perceived lack of intelligence, when you can't grasp the simple fact that not everybody agrees with you. I have seriously no idea how you get along in life (if you actually do), when this is how you react when somebody disagrees with you.

You don't listen to reason, hence my frustration, but one thing I'm fairly confident of, with your attitude, you'll never 'get along in life' quite as well as I have.
 
With Browny, Duffin and Bartlett back in the lead.
It took them aprox. 3 years to shaft our club then, but now with practice , probably get the time scale down to 12 - 18 months.
Thank God twy's dream is our nightmare, but we can wake up from it!!!!

I've never defended Duffen or Bartlett on here, but I guess if you're aiming to troll somebody the easiest way to do so is to put words in their mouth.

Also, if you're not going to say anything remotely worthwhile, at least learn to spell you complete cretin. It might actually make your posts the slightest bit tolerable.
 
I've never defended Duffen or Bartlett on here, but I guess if you're aiming to troll somebody the easiest way to do so is to put words in their mouth.

Also, if you're not going to say anything remotely worthwhile, at least learn to spell you complete cretin. It might actually make your posts the slightest bit tolerable.

My apologise to you it should have read twf'ys. :emoticon-0120-doh:
Also thanks for promoting me to a cretin <laugh>
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