Match Day Thread Ipswich v Hull City

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Howdentiger2 said:
Haha I can't sit on the fence, I get splinters in my arse :)

Syd posts some good stuff ( when he isn't just looking for an argument) and always provides discussion whether I agree with his POV or not, but even he must be self aware enough to see that what he posted is just hilariously hypocritical
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Outside of my claim that Shota would be gone by October (which he was) I actually can't think of many examples where I've tooted my own horn too much about something I've posted, but feel free to point out some examples.
 
highpeak tiger said:
Every manager in the EFL would say the same.
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I don't mean that as a "we're unlucky" thing. I say it purely as an acknowledgement that we're not perfect and that I'm not saying we are; I just think our problems are in the execution at the top end, not in the build up. We only have ourselves to blame for our poor conversion rate. I get a feeling that we accept wasting opportunities too readily (especially early in games) because we think there'll always be more.

I remember a game against Preston last season where Pelkas messed up a great chance straight from kickoff and no one seemed to care that much, and it annoyed me and I thought I bet we regret that. Sure enough it ended 0-0 with us missing loads of chances. I got the same feeling in the Plymouth game when Philogene sat their full back down at the byline and then put an awful ball in which went out for a goal kick, and then Christie messed up at the end of a great run from deep, both within the first 3 minutes and both good opportunities, but again no one seemed to care because it's only the first few minutes. I want to see us putting teams to the sword like Ipswich did to us: couple of half-chances outside the area, brilliantly executed, you've basically won the game at that point and everyone says your style of play is brilliant, but really it's just that your execution in front of goal was very good.
 
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PLT said:
Nah, sorry, it's a cliche. Go look at the first few minutes of the Plymouth game and see if we're playing too slow. It's an easy thing to reach for when you're frustrated at a result after the fact.

We definitely don't score as many as we should. 100%. But it's not because of a lack of getting the ball forward into good areas, we do that better than most City sides in the recent past have ever done. It's because of what we do when we get to that final decision. If I had the access and time I could make a cut of 10 or 15 opportunities in that Plymouth game where we pissed up good opportunities whether it was Slater and Christie making stupid decisions, Traore blasting it miles off target, Philogene either doing the same or tapping it to the keeper, and it would show how ridiculous this idea that we don't get it forward is.

I know we're going round in circles but I just find it hard to accept people insisting this daft stuff is true when the evidence of the match that happens in front of us should be absolutely clear.
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Even the Plymouth commentator on Argyle TV commented how slow we are to get the ball forward, so did whoever was commenting on our game on talk sport on Tuesday.

Are they both part of the anti rose cliche posse too?

Or just uneducated.
 
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PLT said:
I don't mean that as a "we're unlucky" thing. I say it purely as an acknowledgement that we're not perfect and that I'm not saying we are; I just think our problems are in the execution at the top end, not in the build up. We only have ourselves to blame for our poor conversion rate. I get a feeling that we accept wasting opportunities too readily (especially early in games) because we think there'll always be more.

I remember a game against Preston last season where Pelkas messed up a great chance straight from kickoff and no one seemed to care that much, and it annoyed me and I thought I bet we regret that. Sure enough it ended 0-0 with us missing loads of chances. I got the same feeling in the Plymouth game when Philogene sat their full back down at the byline and then put an awful ball in which went out for a goal kick, and then Christie messed up at the end of a great run from deep, both within the first 3 minutes and both good opportunities, but again no one seemed to care because it's only the first few minutes. I want to see us putting teams to the sword like Ipswich did to us: couple of half-chances outside the area, brilliantly executed, you've basically won the game at that point and everyone says your style of play is brilliant, but really it's just that your execution in front of goal was very good.
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I agree the 2 goals they scored were well executed half chances, but notwithstanding. They completely blew us away, we couldn’t deal with them at all, and ended up crumbling under the pressure. We don’t really do that to teams, we have a bit of a spell where we create a chance or two and instead of turning the screw, we calm it back down and retain possession as a priority.
 
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Ever think the blame on some games might be the forwrds ? Poor execution , slow to react , not moving into spaces , greedy wingers , lack of support - just wondering if that’s Rosie’s fault . Could be we bought and sold wrongly won’t know yet
 
springtiger said:
Ever think the blame on some games might be the forwrds ? Poor execution , slow to react , not moving into spaces , greedy wingers , lack of support - just wondering if that’s Rosie’s fault . Could be we bought and sold wrongly won’t know yet
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Ultimately it is Rosenior's responsibility to sort it out. I defend him because I think he gets attacked from unfair angles but I do think there's no escaping that he needs to get our attackers to be more clinical, confident, composed, whatever it is, to score more goals from the positions we get into. I'm sure he knows this, and I trust/hope he'll get it sorted in time with the quality of players we now have.
 
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There was a graphic recently that showed we're one of the slowest and most considered teams in attack (think I posted it in here or perhaps the Plymouth thread) so it can't be debated that we are a slower style team in general, however when you consider the company we keep in that quadrant of the graphic are Leicester and Southampton - two teams who will undoubtedly be competing for promotion this season - it's hard to argue it's a losing strategy. What we need though is to be more calculating and decisive in our passing and taking the opportunities when they present themselves. It's fine to be slow and decisive when it runs the opposition off their feet by passing them to death, but we also need to know when to pull the trigger.

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Howdentiger2 said:
So they haven't actually said we haven't had a good start, just that we could and maybe should have done better.... Stop trying to twist things to suit your agenda Syd
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Not trying to twist things, just suggesting people who think we should have had a better start are probably thinking we haven't had as good a start as we should have had.

You asked the question, I answered it.
 
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