Match Day Thread Spuds v LFC

[luvgonzo]

We've recorded an audio statement to apologise for suggesting the refs are cheating ****s, transcript below.

Klopp. Remember we have to say sorry to all the ****ing refs, oh Robbo pass that ****ing ketchup.

Trent. Who's going to do it? This chicken is rank by the way.

Nunez. I'll do, perhaps they'll let me off next time I stick the head in someone then.

All. Ha, ha, your English is coming on.

Klopp. Right then after 3 we all say sorry refs. 123

All. Sorry... ****ing hell Robbo that's disgusting take your finger out of that.

 

[Neither here or there]

Daz ...daz....daz...

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[moreinjuredthanowen]

So many things wrong, it’s hard to know where to start.

The decision to give it as offside in the first place hasn’t even been mentioned. The Lino blundered initially and he’s got away with it.

Then it’s a series of problems to do with process/protocols and even language and professionalism. It should be a factual assessment of what the he on field officials have given….but they had no idea what was given

It’s not as though other sports haven’t nailed this….yet we are a million miles away from their level of professionalism. It’s not that it would take longer, the check was relatively quick.

I just cannot get my head around the fact that these clowns are in control of a multi billion pound business and it’s a closed shop. They need to open up the process and microphones and start to behave like pro’s or the game is up. If I were the Premier league chief, I’d be bashing down doors as we speak, this will damage the brand beyond recognition.

other leagues and uefa will be mining comments about the ridiculous English again.

the thing is we cannot ignore that England sat on his hands knowing the blundered here.

anyone who does that is not fit to ref.

why? what happens when he is reffing a game and blunders and does the same.

what if a player get hurt by his inactions.

 

[Solid Air]

other leagues and uefa will be mining comments about the ridiculous English again.

the thing is we cannot ignore that England sat on his hands knowing the blundered here.

anyone who does that is not fit to ref.

why? what happens when he is reffing a game and blunders and does the same.

what if a player get hurt by his inactions.

once the game has restarted they cannot stop it just because they realised they had ****ed up .

 

[saintanton]

My first thought when I heard it is the complete lack of professionalism in the language used and how they speak to each other.

"Hey Daz"

"What d'you feel about that?"

Like they're bezzy mates.

And then swearing when they realise they've fcked up.

This isnt a one off, this is how they actually talk to to each other in all games, no wonder the way VAR is managed is a farce and the human side of it is a mess.

I was half expecting it to end with the assistant saying "Fancy a pint? I'm buying"

Well, to a large extent they are. They've openly admitted to putting their camaraderie before correct decisions.

 

[Solid Air]

Well, to a large extent they are. They've openly admitted to putting their camaraderie before correct decisions.

if that is the Mike Dean thing i wouldn't put much stock in it as he was just after publicity .

 

[Zanjinho]

once the game has restarted they cannot stop it just because they realised they had ****ed up .

They're not supposed to but reality is they'd have been praised for it in this instance. However, nor do they want to set a precedent, not all decision are as clear cut as this one

 

[saintanton]

if that is the Mike Dean thing i wouldn't put much stock in it as he was just after publicity .

How do we know this? We can only go on the evidence presented to us and I've seen nothing to suggest it wasn't true.
He has admitted he did it and that he was in the wrong. Yes, he's subsequently tried to play down the "mate" thing and blame others for taking it out of context, but that doesn't alter the fact that he did it. That just looks like a damage limitation exercise.
He failed to send the ref to look at an incident that he should have, for no valid reason.
Even if it is all bullshit, it further undermines faith in the competence of officials which is already pretty low.
There is a clear us v them attitude between officials and players. It comes from both sides, and as I've said before is detrimental to a fair game.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

once the game has restarted they cannot stop it just because they realised they had ****ed up .

yes they can.

they can blow a whistle.for anything and at the very very least acknowledge what happened and then play on.

I've never said give a goal back as that's not possible.

there are examples however of fair play where a side let's another tap in a goal to rectify.

they have gone down in history and incompetents not men of integrity.

 

[Solid Air]

yes they can.

they can blow a whistle.for anything and at the very very least acknowledge what happened and then play on.

I've never said give a goal back as that's not possible.

there are examples however of fair play where a side let's another tap in a goal to rectify.

they have gone down in history and incompetents not men of integrity.

The ref cannot stop the game once it restarted -end of

and if you think we would have given Spurs a goal in the same circumstances i can only conclude you are losing the plot .

 

[Solid Air]

How do we know this? We can only go on the evidence presented to us and I've seen nothing to suggest it wasn't true.
He has admitted he did it and that he was in the wrong. Yes, he's subsequently tried to play down the "mate" thing and blame others for taking it out of context, but that doesn't alter the fact that he did it. That just looks like a damage limitation exercise.
He failed to send the ref to look at an incident that he should have, for no valid reason.
Even if it is all bullshit, it further undermines faith in the competence of officials which is already pretty low.
There is a clear us v them attitude between officials and players. It comes from both sides, and as I've said before is detrimental to a fair game.

it was a Spurs corner when Romero committed the hair pull from which they didn't score so what grounds did he have to intervene ?

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

The ref cannot stop the game once it restarted -end of

and if you think we would have given Spurs a goal in the same circumstances i can only conclude you are losing the plot .

yes he can. he does every time he blows a whistle.

if a streaker runs on he blows a whistle.

just cos a rule told England he could do nothing and he then sat on his hands doesn't excuse a thing.

when you mess up materially like thst you inform and discuss at minimum immediately.

if this tape showed the onfield ref and England discuss the error and say oh **** but the rules say we can't go back and then we saw the ref run over and brief the managers then none of this would be as big a deal.

it's common sense. blindly following rules to avoid consequences is stupid.

the consequences are always made bigger as a result

 

[saintanton]

it was a Spurs corner when Romero committed the hair pull from which they didn't score so what grounds did he have to intervene ?

In all honesty I can't navigate my way through the labyrinthine mess of rules as to what VAR should or should not be doing, but in his subsequent attempts to back off from his initial statement Dean has confirmed that he should have intervened, so I'll have to assume he was correct in that, or at least he's sure he was.
The only thing he seems to have taken exception to is the reporting of his use of the term "mate" to describe the ref. Even then his retraction was equivocal, saying although they're not mates in normal life the group of officials on the day see each other as such.
Which is why I brought up the camaraderie and the us v them thing.

 

[saintanton]

The ref cannot stop the game once it restarted -end of

and if you think we would have given Spurs a goal in the same circumstances i can only conclude you are losing the plot .

That's not entirely true - there are instances where he can.
Apparently incorrect offside calls aren't one of them, but that in itself is a grey area. An incorrect call that has minimal consequences ok, because we don't want the game slowed any further, but an incorrect call that chalks off a legitimate goal, or allows an offside one, becomes a bigger issue.
Of course, these things should be sorted out by VAR before the restart, which brings us full circle.
As I've said, the most we can hope for out of this is a rule change to specifically allow a recall under these circumstances, so it doesn't happen again.
Clarity is of benefit to us all - officials and clubs alike.

 

[saintanton]

So many things wrong, it’s hard to know where to start.

The decision to give it as offside in the first place hasn’t even been mentioned. The Lino blundered initially and he’s got away with it.

Then it’s a series of problems to do with process/protocols and even language and professionalism. It should be a factual assessment of what the he on field officials have given….but they had no idea what was given

It’s not as though other sports haven’t nailed this….yet we are a million miles away from their level of professionalism. It’s not that it would take longer, the check was relatively quick.

I just cannot get my head around the fact that these clowns are in control of a multi billion pound business and it’s a closed shop. They need to open up the process and microphones and start to behave like pro’s or the game is up. If I were the Premier league chief, I’d be bashing down doors as we speak, this will damage the brand beyond recognition.

I can live with that, it's an acceptable human error. Correcting it is what VAR is supposed to be there for.

 

[Bumps]

How do we know this? We can only go on the evidence presented to us and I've seen nothing to suggest it wasn't true.
He has admitted he did it and that he was in the wrong. Yes, he's subsequently tried to play down the "mate" thing and blame others for taking it out of context, but that doesn't alter the fact that he did it. That just looks like a damage limitation exercise.
He failed to send the ref to look at an incident that he should have, for no valid reason.
Even if it is all bullshit, it further undermines faith in the competence of officials which is already pretty low.
There is a clear us v them attitude between officials and players. It comes from both sides, and as I've said before is detrimental to a fair game.

I honestly can’t get over that
Ex ref comes out and states - yep I cheated cause he was my mate
Nothing Nada
Fecking bonkers
At least be seen to be dealing with it

 

[Bumps]

That's not entirely true - there are instances where he can.
Apparently incorrect offside calls aren't one of them, but that in itself is a grey area. An incorrect call that has minimal consequences ok, because we don't want the game slowed any further, but an incorrect call that chalks off a legitimate goal, or allows an offside one, becomes a bigger issue.
Of course, these things should be sorted out by VAR before the restart, which brings us full circle.
As I've said, the most we can hope for out of this is a rule change to specifically allow a recall under these circumstances, so it doesn't happen again.
Clarity is of benefit to us all - officials and clubs alike.

I honestly don’t care what the rules are in that instance
Common sense needed to be applied
Their change to expletives indicates they know a **** up has occurred
So at that point
Do we get in the **** and disallow the goal
Or do we do what’s right
Pull the game back 30-40 seconds - and that time onto first half
Get the decision correct then deal with that **** separate


Edit
Yep that’s a ffs

 

[Bumps]

Was watching one of those unchallenged tap in goals the other day
May have been a Leeds one
The defender really didn’t want to let the team score but Bielsa was doing his nut on the side
Was funny as

 

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

The audio is quite damning. Whilst I don't think there was anything sinister behind it, it just highlights the sheer incompetence of them all (bar the Replay Operator and the Ops Director (Oli).

The actual officials were deer in headlights - they were flustered, talking over one another, incoherent. Which is shocking because it was such a simple decision.

Compare this to the processes in tennis, cricket, rugby - everyone knows what they're doing, they talk clearly, the language is precise, everyone is calm.

 

[Bumps]

The audio is quite damning. Whilst I don't think there was anything sinister behind it, it just highlights the sheer incompetence of them all (bar the Replay Operator and the Ops Director (Oli).

The actual officials were deer in headlights - they were flustered, talking over one another, incoherent. Which is shocking because it was such a simple decision.

Compare this to the processes in tennis, cricket, rugby - everyone knows what they're doing, they talk clearly, the language is precise, everyone is calm.

It’s a bit like on here