Match Day Thread Spuds v LFC

[Mark Blow]

Wrong thread

 

[Zanjinho]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJcyPe3A/

 

[Bumps]

Every club can point to terrible VAR decisions...I get there's a problem but disagreed with a poster claiming that other "so called fans" aren't supporting pool. My point is that exactly the same thing happened to wolves against you and no one from pool gave a **** so why should anyone give one for pool?

I think Saint pointed out the obvious stuff
Many on here acknowledged the Wolves debacle
However like all things we don’t have the power to do anything
Many LFC fans commented on social media also
Yes we had a few eejits but no more than other clubs
Saint is very level headed
And certainly no conspiracy theorist (rectify that while I am here)
Anyone wanting change on VAR (not saying I do - I happy with VAR just not the arsewipes using it - it’s been brilliant in Rugby WC and in some areas of football imho ) should be wanting this to go that bit further and get things sorted
I have no doubt that any alterations to the current law will be used against us first - as fate does that kind of **** lol

 

[Zanjinho]

Man Utd fan...

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJcfMRwc/

 

[Sucky]

That audio.


Jesus Christ like.

Fukin dogshit

 

[Diego]

as i said above, its is the var moron who calls it possible offside first.

no onfield official actually called this offside.

the var moron decided in his own head this was a possible offside.

you then have 4 separate feeds from 4 onfield officials talking and not one of them confirmed and onfield decision
one says possible offside which could be said at every good goal or bad.

it's then clear their only real communication to not restart a game is to say delay.

this culminates in "Check complete, check complete. That’s fine, perfect"

this is var confirming to any ref their onfield decision is correct, this is not relaying a result of a finding at all. it's really just telling the ref whatever he thought must be right.

the ref then kicks off and congratulates all on being fantastic blokes for getting a quick call.

the Assistant is very political then. he doesn't shout this is wrong, he asks are you happy.

the var guy hasn't a clue what on earth he is on about.

when they finally cotton on and curse there's a fatalistic I can do nothing.

it is a process set up for failure being rushed through to avoid critique of taking too long. its probably a shock its taken them this long to make such a **** up.

the best thing they can do is change the protocol to improve clarity and recommend the Premier league adopt the semi automatic system.

I'd go so far as to say they ought to make an amazon documentary following the lives of var and generate some sympathy for themselves.

If you look at the transcript and listen carefully that statement is about the second angle of the line being shown, the problem comes with so many people in the same conversation so the meaning got lost in the babble.

 

[saintanton]

I think Saint pointed out the obvious stuff
Many on here acknowledged the Wolves debacle
However like all things we don’t have the power to do anything
Many LFC fans commented on social media also
Yes we had a few eejits but no more than other clubs
Saint is very level headed
And certainly no conspiracy theorist (rectify that while I am here)
Anyone wanting change on VAR (not saying I do - I happy with VAR just not the arsewipes using it - it’s been brilliant in Rugby WC and in some areas of football imho ) should be wanting this to go that bit further and get things sorted
I have no doubt that any alterations to the current law will be used against us first - as fate does that kind of **** lol

I already asked which Wolves game are we talking about but didn't get an answer - I presume the cup game last season?
So what was the big controversy? As far as I'm aware the lino gave offside because he saw the corner taker was off when the ball came back to him. He was out of shot for the telly, so it looked bad, but it was explained later.

BBC Sport has since explained: "The Wolves (third) disallowed goal was due to (very experienced) assistant flagging for offside against corner taker when the ball was returned to him. There was no camera angle available with any evidence to overturn the decision."

Was there something I missed?

 

[Bumps]

I already asked which Wolves game are we talking about but didn't get an answer - I presume the cup game last season?
So what was the big controversy? As far as I'm aware the lino gave offside because he saw the corner taker was off when the ball came back to him. He was out of shot for the telly, so it looked bad, but it was explained later.

Was there something I missed?

I think the general point would be there have been other mistakes
But this one was so bad in terms of what happened

coming on the back of THAT interview
It makes it hard to accept that the officials are officiating correctly

I know what would happen to me if I made that kind of a mistake at work

I think the vast majority on here just want to see this **** doesn’t happen again (unless it’s to Utd lol - well City now tbf - wow that’s hard to get used to. Lmao)

 

[saintanton]

I think the general point would be there have been other mistakes
But this one was so bad in terms of what happened

coming on the back of THAT interview
It makes it hard to accept that the officials are officiating correctly

I know what would happen to me if I made that kind of a mistake at work

I think the vast majority on here just want to see this **** doesn’t happen again (unless it’s to Utd lol - well City now tbf - wow that’s hard to get used to. Lmao)

Yes, but my point is that the Wolves decision was the correct one (or at least there was no solid evidence to show it wasn't) so the comparison is irrelevant. Unless something came up later that I'm unaware of, which is why I asked.
We're accused of being ok with benefiting from an identical situation to the Diaz one and yet I see no equivalence there.
Like you, I wanted this dragged out in the open to see exactly what happened, and to make sure they don't do this sort of thing again, for all our sakes, so to be accused of being hypocritical over it pisses me off.
If it happened to Utd or City, yeah we'd have a laugh - but we'd still know if they were in the right.
It just seems some people refuse the unequivocal evidence set before them if it upsets their narrative.

 

[Diego]

Yes, but my point is that the Wolves decision was the correct one (or at least there was no solid evidence to show it wasn't) so the comparison is irrelevant. Unless something came up later that I'm unaware of, which is why I asked.
We're accused of being ok with benefiting from an identical situation to the Diaz one and yet I see no equivalence there.
Like you, I wanted this dragged out in the open to see exactly what happened, and to make sure they don't do this sort of thing again, for all our sakes, so to be accused of being hypocritical over it pisses me off.
If it happened to Utd or City, yeah we'd have a laugh - but we'd still know if they were in the right.
It just seems some people refuse the unequivocal evidence set before them if it upsets their narrative.

If you heard the tapes right or understood the transcript of them you would realise that the decision in your game was correct but the meaning of the wording got confused in the traffic.

 

[Treble]

Such a simple solution to this though.

Every goal/red card or what ever that is going to var.

Referee like they do in rugby or cricket says - I’m awarding a goal - tell me if any reason I shouldn’t. Or I’m awarding offside, tell me if that’s incorrect.

var goes and does there thing. And replies

Weve checked your decision of offside, we can confirm he’s offside. No goal
or we’ve checked your decision of offside, we can confirm he’s onside. Change your decision and award a goal.

After var have confirmed that

referee will say ‘to confirm, I’m awarding a goal / I’m awarding a free kick for offside’

Var - correct

Job done. Takes extra 5 seconds each side of the process and no confusion can take place.

My first thought when I heard it is the complete lack of professionalism in the language used and how they speak to each other.

"Hey Daz"

"What d'you feel about that?"

Like they're bezzy mates.

And then swearing when they realise they've fcked up.

This isnt a one off, this is how they actually talk to to each other in all games, no wonder the way VAR is managed is a farce and the human side of it is a mess.

I was half expecting it to end with the assistant saying "Fancy a pint? I'm buying"

 

[saintanton]

If you heard the tapes right or understood the transcript of them you would realise that the decision in your game was correct but the meaning of the wording got confused in the traffic.

Now you're just nit-picking, you know full well I'm talking about the eventual outcome.
Don't start being an arse again, please.

 

[Diego]

Now you're just nit-picking, you know full well I'm talking about the eventual outcome.
Don't start being an arse again, please.

I'm not being an arse (at least on purpose), what i am getting at is although the whole conversation should be recorded between all party's there should only be one voice in the refs ear. That way the "yeah that's right" doesn't get to the ref, all he gets is the lines show on side do you need/want to see the monitor.
That multi conversation was so garbled and crossed that a **** up was inevitable at some point.

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

My first thought when I heard it is the complete lack of professionalism in the language used and how they speak to each other.

"Hey Daz"

"What d'you feel about that?"

Like they're bezzy mates.

And then swearing when they realise they've fcked up.

This isnt a one off, this is how they actually talk to to each other in all games, no wonder the way VAR is managed is a farce and the human side of it is a mess.

I was half expecting it to end with the assistant saying "Fancy a pint? I'm buying"

Precisely Trebs, and that's why Liverpool were pushing, not to eviscerate any individual, but to get the PGMOL to do its laundry out in the open, because they really need to. There's nothing more for Liverpool to do now (certainly not replays or points awarded - that's for the ****ing birds) except one thing - it's time both the PGMOL and the FA explained their decisions openly and transparently like rugby and cricket do. Doesn't mean they'll be perfect - I thought the decision not to allow the Starc catch in the 2nd test was ****ing lousy - but at least we get to see their thinking, and then we can argue it. But when they make unequivocal procedural ****-ups they should say sorry (contrary to Neville's opinion they didn't, and they didn't over the Pickford debacle 3 years ago (even though Oliver squeaked out a mealy-mouthed, half-arsed acknowledgment 3 months later in the S*n) and offer a ****ing full and frank explanation.

I still think the story I heard of England being on the bog puking up and rushing in at the last moment, hence he didn't know the original call, rings true, but there's **** all else to be gained now by anymore pushing. And of course, we're now public enemy #1 with PGMOL and other fans - but we wouldn't want it any other way - LFC is nothing unless it's an outsider against the rest, and that includes the footballing authorities. Cool.

 

[saintanton]

I'm not being an arse (at least on purpose), what i am getting at is although the whole conversation should be recorded between all party's there should only be one voice in the refs ear. That way the "yeah that's right" doesn't get to the ref, all he gets is the lines show on side do you need/want to see the monitor.
That multi conversation was so garbled and crossed that a **** up was inevitable at some point.

My point was that the two situations weren't comparable. In the Wolves game the outcome was no goal and that was correct (or at least was not proven otherwise) whereas the Diaz outcome was incorrect, and demonstrably so.
And you don't think "If you heard the tapes right or understood the transcript of them you would realise that the decision in your game was correct" is a bit arsey? Suggesting I misheard or am incapable of understanding what I heard or read?
Anyway I've had enough for one day, I'm off.

 

[HugoEkitikeN01]

EXCLUSIVE:
Premier League rule could see Tottenham vs Liverpool replayed after VAR blunder
The furious Reds have not demanded the game take place again after officials' howler saw Luis Diaz's goal ruled out, but the Premier League's own rules state such a decision is possible
Premier League rule could see Tottenham vs Liverpool replayed after VAR blunder - Mirror Online

 

[Bumps]

My first thought when I heard it is the complete lack of professionalism in the language used and how they speak to each other.

"Hey Daz"

"What d'you feel about that?"

Like they're bezzy mates.

And then swearing when they realise they've fcked up.

This isnt a one off, this is how they actually talk to to each other in all games, no wonder the way VAR is managed is a farce and the human side of it is a mess.

I was half expecting it to end with the assistant saying "Fancy a pint? I'm buying"

Compare that conversation to how the video teams work in rugby
It’s chalk and cheese
And cricket is the same as rugby
And yeah they still make the odd mistake but it is much rarer and you at least generally understand what they are seeing

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

If you look at the transcript and listen carefully that statement is about the second angle of the line being shown, the problem comes with so many people in the same conversation so the meaning got lost in the babble.

doesn't matter.

what matters is abdication of responsibility and then cover up.

they missed it and decided nothing to be done so where is the tape of them telling the ref?

when did they tell the ref?

we have an lfc official saying he told the ref and the ref claimed to not know.

we have var saying ref was told at ht.

so pgmol need to decide who'd lied and when and why did they not just fess up right awau

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Compare that conversation to how the video teams work in rugby
It’s chalk and cheese
And cricket is the same as rugby
And yeah they still make the odd mistake but it is much rarer and you at least generally understand what they are seeing

my view is that you can hear and see them rushing to get any quick decision due to all the critique they get for being too slow.

Rugby has natural long breaks around set peice and so does cricket so they take the time to do this right.

the protocols are clearly **** and mistakes are inevitable when rushing with unclear information

 

[SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING]

my view is that you can hear and see them rushing to get any quick decision due to all the critique they get for being too slow.

Rugby has natural long breaks around set peice and so does cricket so they take the time to do this right.

the protocols are clearly **** and mistakes are inevitable when rushing with unclear information

So many things wrong, it’s hard to know where to start.

The decision to give it as offside in the first place hasn’t even been mentioned. The Lino blundered initially and he’s got away with it.

Then it’s a series of problems to do with process/protocols and even language and professionalism. It should be a factual assessment of what the he on field officials have given….but they had no idea what was given

It’s not as though other sports haven’t nailed this….yet we are a million miles away from their level of professionalism. It’s not that it would take longer, the check was relatively quick.

I just cannot get my head around the fact that these clowns are in control of a multi billion pound business and it’s a closed shop. They need to open up the process and microphones and start to behave like pro’s or the game is up. If I were the Premier league chief, I’d be bashing down doors as we speak, this will damage the brand beyond recognition.