We've recorded an audio statement to apologise for suggesting the refs are cheating ****s, transcript below. Klopp. Remember we have to say sorry to all the ****ing refs, oh Robbo pass that ****ing ketchup. Trent. Who's going to do it? This chicken is rank by the way. Nunez. I'll do, perhaps they'll let me off next time I stick the head in someone then. All. Ha, ha, your English is coming on. Klopp. Right then after 3 we all say sorry refs. 123 All. Sorry... ****ing hell Robbo that's disgusting take your finger out of that.
other leagues and uefa will be mining comments about the ridiculous English again. the thing is we cannot ignore that England sat on his hands knowing the blundered here. anyone who does that is not fit to ref. why? what happens when he is reffing a game and blunders and does the same. what if a player get hurt by his inactions.
Well, to a large extent they are. They've openly admitted to putting their camaraderie before correct decisions.
They're not supposed to but reality is they'd have been praised for it in this instance. However, nor do they want to set a precedent, not all decision are as clear cut as this one
How do we know this? We can only go on the evidence presented to us and I've seen nothing to suggest it wasn't true. He has admitted he did it and that he was in the wrong. Yes, he's subsequently tried to play down the "mate" thing and blame others for taking it out of context, but that doesn't alter the fact that he did it. That just looks like a damage limitation exercise. He failed to send the ref to look at an incident that he should have, for no valid reason. Even if it is all bullshit, it further undermines faith in the competence of officials which is already pretty low. There is a clear us v them attitude between officials and players. It comes from both sides, and as I've said before is detrimental to a fair game.
yes they can. they can blow a whistle.for anything and at the very very least acknowledge what happened and then play on. I've never said give a goal back as that's not possible. there are examples however of fair play where a side let's another tap in a goal to rectify. they have gone down in history and incompetents not men of integrity.
The ref cannot stop the game once it restarted -end of and if you think we would have given Spurs a goal in the same circumstances i can only conclude you are losing the plot .
it was a Spurs corner when Romero committed the hair pull from which they didn't score so what grounds did he have to intervene ?
yes he can. he does every time he blows a whistle. if a streaker runs on he blows a whistle. just cos a rule told England he could do nothing and he then sat on his hands doesn't excuse a thing. when you mess up materially like thst you inform and discuss at minimum immediately. if this tape showed the onfield ref and England discuss the error and say oh **** but the rules say we can't go back and then we saw the ref run over and brief the managers then none of this would be as big a deal. it's common sense. blindly following rules to avoid consequences is stupid. the consequences are always made bigger as a result
In all honesty I can't navigate my way through the labyrinthine mess of rules as to what VAR should or should not be doing, but in his subsequent attempts to back off from his initial statement Dean has confirmed that he should have intervened, so I'll have to assume he was correct in that, or at least he's sure he was. The only thing he seems to have taken exception to is the reporting of his use of the term "mate" to describe the ref. Even then his retraction was equivocal, saying although they're not mates in normal life the group of officials on the day see each other as such. Which is why I brought up the camaraderie and the us v them thing.
That's not entirely true - there are instances where he can. Apparently incorrect offside calls aren't one of them, but that in itself is a grey area. An incorrect call that has minimal consequences ok, because we don't want the game slowed any further, but an incorrect call that chalks off a legitimate goal, or allows an offside one, becomes a bigger issue. Of course, these things should be sorted out by VAR before the restart, which brings us full circle. As I've said, the most we can hope for out of this is a rule change to specifically allow a recall under these circumstances, so it doesn't happen again. Clarity is of benefit to us all - officials and clubs alike.
I can live with that, it's an acceptable human error. Correcting it is what VAR is supposed to be there for.
I honestly can’t get over that Ex ref comes out and states - yep I cheated cause he was my mate Nothing Nada Fecking bonkers At least be seen to be dealing with it
I honestly don’t care what the rules are in that instance Common sense needed to be applied Their change to expletives indicates they know a **** up has occurred So at that point Do we get in the **** and disallow the goal Or do we do what’s right Pull the game back 30-40 seconds - and that time onto first half Get the decision correct then deal with that **** separate Edit Yep that’s a ffs
Was watching one of those unchallenged tap in goals the other day May have been a Leeds one The defender really didn’t want to let the team score but Bielsa was doing his nut on the side Was funny as
The audio is quite damning. Whilst I don't think there was anything sinister behind it, it just highlights the sheer incompetence of them all (bar the Replay Operator and the Ops Director (Oli). The actual officials were deer in headlights - they were flustered, talking over one another, incoherent. Which is shocking because it was such a simple decision. Compare this to the processes in tennis, cricket, rugby - everyone knows what they're doing, they talk clearly, the language is precise, everyone is calm.
