Dr Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love Boris)

[Pure River Slut]

And the people who went out of their way to defraud taxpayers over PPE?
Changing non-dom status raises a drop in the ocean, and would likely end up with less in the bank overall as individuals move their money and themselves elsewhere.
A lot of the companies making unethical profits don't make them in the UK so we can't tax that.

All your points aren't as black and white as you'd like them to be. But because we're all encouraged to regurgitate the soundbites rather than look any deeper into the story for fear we might learn something that contradicts the narrative they want us to swallow....

Still ****ing on Tory faces and saying ‘I’m superior to those message board ingrates’ I see

 

[Pure River Slut]

Lowering taxation is a fairly normal Conservative approach. The theory behind that is sound even if it doesn't work in practice.
Reduction of our gas capacity wouldn't have been as much of an issue if energy prices hadn't risen.
They've clearly made some poor decisions but in any analysis the impact of the non-controllable factors (Covid and war) is impossible to ignore and we know this because other economies have been affected by these things.

It’s definitely been a factor of course, I’m being churlish. I think the war is a distraction - there’s often conflict in governments, just Europe had sold their soul to a despot for profit this time - not dissimilar to oil to be honest. Covid definitely is a factor. However there are choices over finding money and finding it from those who may lose their stability as opposed to those who are stable living off a minimal % of their own interest still doesn’t make economic or political sense to me.
My general point was that we had made ourselves vulnerable by being temporarily more poor and consequently that choice has increased our suffering.

 

[Sunderpitt]

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[The Exile II]

Still ****ing on Tory faces and saying ‘I’m superior to those message board ingrates’ I see

Well, when you post like that it's difficult not to be superior.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Sunak quickly went from 'promises' to 'priorities' and now from 'no ambiguity' to 'it'll be hard'.

He's a terrible PM tbh

I'm starting to think he's been set up by Jeremy Hunt who's always wanted the top job. There's no way Sunak thought up and promised these five really ambitious aims on his own. I think he's been advised and encouraged by people setting him up for a fall.

He'll fail, as is obvious, and either be replaced or lose the election. Either way it'll be a fight between Hunt and Mordaunt imo ...

... both of them are keeping very quiet and letting poor Rishi embarrass himself.

 

[Pure River Slut]

Sunak quickly went from 'promises' to 'priorities' and now from 'no ambiguity' to 'it'll be hard'.

He's a terrible PM tbh

I'm starting to think he's been set up by Jeremy Hunt who's always wanted the top job. There's no way Sunak thought up and promised these five really ambitious aims on his own. I think he's been advised and encouraged by people setting him up for a fall.

He'll fail, as is obvious, and either be replaced or lose the election. Either way it'll be a fight between Hunt and Mordaunt imo ...

... both of them are keeping very quiet and letting poor Rishi embarrass himself.

Something him and Johnson have in common is that their posh school gave them expectation so they now have misguided confidence.

 

[Blond Bombshell]

Sunak quickly went from 'promises' to 'priorities' and now from 'no ambiguity' to 'it'll be hard'.

He's a terrible PM tbh

I'm starting to think he's been set up by Jeremy Hunt who's always wanted the top job. There's no way Sunak thought up and promised these five really ambitious aims on his own. I think he's been advised and encouraged by people setting him up for a fall.

He'll fail, as is obvious, and either be replaced or lose the election. Either way it'll be a fight between Hunt and Mordaunt imo ...

... both of them are keeping very quiet and letting poor Rishi embarrass himself.

I'd laugh if it wasn't so serious for us all affected by these morons incompetence.

 

[The Norton Cat]

It’s definitely been a factor of course, I’m being churlish. I think the war is a distraction - there’s often conflict in governments, just Europe had sold their soul to a despot for profit this time - not dissimilar to oil to be honest. Covid definitely is a factor. However there are choices over finding money and finding it from those who may lose their stability as opposed to those who are stable living off a minimal % of their own interest still doesn’t make economic or political sense to me.
My general point was that we had made ourselves vulnerable by being temporarily more poor and consequently that choice has increased our suffering.

I think we're deluding ourselves if we don't acknowledge the impact of the war. This is arguably the biggest conflict in Europe since 1945 and war is always expensive. Even the Yugoslav wars had consequences for the European economy, and particularly in places like Albania, Romania, Greece, Italy, Austria, Hungary, Ukraine that had particularly close relationships with Yugoslavia.

You can question the morality of having close ties with Putin's Russia, but as a major gas supplier it makes sense that much of Europe relied on them. But you could say that any international relationship of that sort makes you vulnerable.

There was a good article on the King's College London website a while back explaining how the war, in conjunction with drought and other factors across the globe have contributed to increasing food prices.

The fact remains that without these external pressures, a number of internal decisions made by the current government wouldn't seem so bad. Unless you adopt an isolationist policy, you can't prevent international events affecting you.

 

[Pure River Slut]

I think we're deluding ourselves if we don't acknowledge the impact of the war. This is arguably the biggest conflict in Europe since 1945 and war is always expensive. Even the Yugoslav wars had consequences for the European economy, and particularly in places like Albania, Romania, Greece, Italy, Austria, Hungary, Ukraine that had particularly close relationships with Yugoslavia.

You can question the morality of having close ties with Putin's Russia, but as a major gas supplier it makes sense that much of Europe relied on them. But you could say that any international relationship of that sort makes you vulnerable.

There was a good article on the King's College London website a while back explaining how the war, in conjunction with drought and other factors across the globe have contributed to increasing food prices.

The fact remains that without these external pressures, a number of internal decisions made by the current government wouldn't seem so bad. Unless you adopt an isolationist policy, you can't prevent international events affecting you.

So why is our economy suffering more than our near neighbours despite our Britishness being as superior as Exile ?

 

[Coastal Dolphins]

Things don't happen in isolation though. With regard to wealth transfer, I believe that much of the recent increase in wealth held by the top 1% has been, by commentators on both left and right, put down to rising prices and corporations taking advantage of that. Is that the fault of the Tories? Well, they could have introduced legislation to prevent that being taken advantage. But the acknowledged causes of those price rises are Covid and war in Ukraine which the Tories or any other party in this country could never have had any control over. Its too simplistic to simply say that the Tories are to blame for this without considering the circumstances that have led to this increase in the rate of wealth transfer to the top 1%.

Truss and Kwartangs mini budget wasn't the fault of the tories? - are you serious?

 

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Sunak is on borrowed time like imo - totally unelectable and the tory party will know this ahead of an election.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Sunak is on borrowed time like imo - totally unelectable and the tory party will know this ahead of an election.

Mordaunt will be out buying some uplift bras as we speak

 

[The Norton Cat]

Truss and Kwartangs mini budget wasn't the fault of the tories? - are you serious?

Where have I said that? You're just making stuff up now.
But yes, I am serious. There are numerous factors, both internal and external, that impact the running of a country's economy that any government have little to no control over. That would be the same if it was a Labour government, a Lib Dem government, or a Monster Raving Loony Party government.
The reality is that anybody who truly wants to understand why the economy is in the state it is will consider all factors.
Of course, if you're blinkered and biased then of course it's all the fault of the Tories that you hate.

 

[The Norton Cat]

So why is our economy suffering more than our near neighbours despite our Britishness being as superior as Exile ?

Because different factors are at play in different countries. Some of the factors at play here are the fault of the current government. Some of them wouldn't be an issue if it wasn't for those external factors, some would. But it remains the fact that those external factors are the driving force behind the difficulties that all economies are having.

 

[Pure River Slut]

Because different factors are at play in different countries. Some of the factors at play here are the fault of the current government. Some of them wouldn't be an issue if it wasn't for those external factors, some would. But it remains the fact that those external factors are the driving force behind the difficulties that all economies are having.

The mortgage issue was directly after the ideological budget. Yes selling the gas reserves wouldn’t have mattered without the war but getting cash in the back became a need after a shocking Brexit deal. The French energy system and the support the nation were given as opposed to our ‘love our corporations’ economy policy meant that it hit us harder. Yes the war yes Covid but is a fact that our struggles are greater because of the decisions taken and the trickle down inequality philosophy. Why you are intent on letting them off lightly I’m not sure. It feels like your defensiveness is to justify your misplaced vote.

 

[Sunderpitt]

Mordaunt will be out buying some uplift bras as we speak

Yes i reckon she would give Starmer some trouble, but its unlikely that the Cons will dump little Rishi just yet.

 

[COYCS]

Where have I said that? You're just making stuff up now.
But yes, I am serious. There are numerous factors, both internal and external, that impact the running of a country's economy that any government have little to no control over. That would be the same if it was a Labour government, a Lib Dem government, or a Monster Raving Loony Party government.
The reality is that anybody who truly wants to understand why the economy is in the state it is will consider all factors.
Of course, if you're blinkered and biased then of course it's all the fault of the Tories that you hate.

Have a like for mentioning The Monster Raving Loony party.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Yes i reckon she would give Starmer some trouble, but its unlikely that the Cons will dump little Rishi just yet.

She's a bit of a Boris tbh.

Some people seem quite keen to have her as party leader and PM based almost entirely on her 'personality' ...

... despite her flip flopping in her opinions and support for one PM or another.

 

[The Norton Cat]

The mortgage issue was directly after the ideological budget. Yes selling the gas reserves wouldn’t have mattered without the war but getting cash in the back became a need after a shocking Brexit deal. The French energy system and the support the nation were given as opposed to our ‘love our corporations’ economy policy meant that it hit us harder. Yes the war yes Covid but is a fact that our struggles are greater because of the decisions taken and the trickle down inequality philosophy. Why you are intent on letting them off lightly I’m not sure. It feels like your defensiveness is to justify your misplaced vote.

I'm not intent on letting them off lightly. I am interested in understanding things without bias though.

I can recognise what they have done wrong and what they haven't. A good example is the Truss/Kwarteng mini budget- clearly a calamity. Truss was a terrible appointment as PM and, having had a little bit of inside knowledge on that, knew that at the time. But I also recognise that, as I have said, nothing happens in isolation and there are other factors that affect how a party in power performs.

I'm not being defensive, but I do find obvious bias strange and difficult to stomach. Neither do I feel that my vote was misguided. I would vote exactly the same way again under the same circumstances.

 

[Pure River Slut]

I'm not intent on letting them off lightly. I am interested in understanding things without bias though.

I can recognise what they have done wrong and what they haven't. A good example is the Truss/Kwarteng mini budget- clearly a calamity. Truss was a terrible appointment as PM and, having had a little bit of inside knowledge on that, knew that at the time. But I also recognise that, as I have said, nothing happens in isolation and there are other factors that affect how a party in power performs.

I'm not being defensive, but I do find obvious bias strange and difficult to stomach. Neither do I feel that my vote was misguided. I would vote exactly the same way again under the same circumstances.

You talk about it as bias, I talk about it as values. I don’t care who I offend in saying this and there’ll be a few, but there were a number of voting choices and it was obvious well in advance that Johnson was a bullingdon elite heartless discriminatory lying egotist and anyone choosing that ahead of the others has a lot of peoples suffering on their hands. The defending of them is embarrassing and I’d suggest that anyone still failing to see it are the ones choosing a lens and filter not the people saying it as it is.