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[Draig]

So what about the 1975 refendum to remain which 64% said yes. Was that not final/definitive/sacrosanct ?

In 1975 we were in the EEC which was hugely different to the EU which resulted in Brexit.

The Single European Act of 1987 amended the Treaty of Rome. Its aim was to create a single internal market, which had been proving difficult under the existing Treaties. The SEA replaced many unanimous decision-making processes with Qualified Majority Voting, in order to facilitate the adoption of a raft of European Union legislation by the end of 1992.

The European Union was formed in 1993, it incorporated the EEC and renamed it the European Community. Then, in 2009, the EC's institutions were absorbed into the EU's wider framework and the EEC formally ceased to exist.

Now, tell me why the UK 1975 EEC membership referendum result should still be binding upon us after the EEC itself no longer existed and we had no say whatsoever in becoming EC / EU members?

 

[Smug in Boots]

i remember the talk of ID's being mooted a few years back, was a topic on the other board and i was surprised at the number who did not want them, as i saw it, if you are here in this country legally then it would be a very useful 'bit of kit' to have on your person.

as for the immigrants the problem is that they arrive with no papers so it is impossible to tell/confirm if they are qualified and skilled or to prove they have no criminal activity in their past and that is what people want sorting, they are not out and out racists, they do not hate every other nation...they just want to be sure that those coming into the country are willing to contribute and wont be starting some major criminal scene, like the 'UK branch of the people smuggling ring'.

Honestly mate, I don't think you're a racist just because you have concerns about immigration. I have them myself and, in all honesty, you'd have to be pretty strange if you didn't whether you voted Leave or Remain.

But immigration was a big part of Brexit and, no doubt, the racists who exist were delighted ...

... sadly the politicians use immigration to their own means and neither us or the immigrants see any sign of progress.

 

[WorkyTicketFTM]

i remember the talk of ID's being mooted a few years back, was a topic on the other board and i was surprised at the number who did not want them, as i saw it, if you are here in this country legally then it would be a very useful 'bit of kit' to have on your person.

as for the immigrants the problem is that they arrive with no papers so it is impossible to tell/confirm if they are qualified and skilled or to prove they have no criminal activity in their past and that is what people want sorting, they are not out and out racists, they do not hate every other nation...they just want to be sure that those coming into the country are willing to contribute and wont be starting some major criminal scene, like the 'UK branch of the people smuggling ring'.

I always found it mental that someone as qualified as a doctor would be vilified before they can emigrate here or declined for a minor offence in cases if they were Asian but a beggar could walk in as long as they had EU citizenship.

 

[master-simpson]

Early? It’s been 7 years. Nothing good has came of it and most people still don’t even understand what they voted for/against.

BORED

Bart

 

[master-simpson]

That's because nothing has changed with no sign of progress.

And it's gullible flag waving GREAT BRITAIN Boris believers, like you, to blame.

Boris had nowt to do with it for me!!

Bart

 

[master-simpson]

We created the problems that need to be solved by the very fact of leaving. If we hadn't left those self same problems would not exist.

BORED

Bart

 

[Nathan Brazil]

I wrote to Priti Patel and suggested they considered undercutting the gangs trafficking people.

If you think about it you could wipe them out in a week.

Never even received an 'I'm out of the office on holiday, stop bothering me' response.

Brilliant!

 

[Smug in Boots]

Boris had nowt to do with it for me!!

Bart

Yes he did ...

... don't be coy

 

[DH4]

In 1975 we were in the EEC which was hugely different to the EU which resulted in Brexit.

The Single European Act of 1987 amended the Treaty of Rome. Its aim was to create a single internal market, which had been proving difficult under the existing Treaties. The SEA replaced many unanimous decision-making processes with Qualified Majority Voting, in order to facilitate the adoption of a raft of European Union legislation by the end of 1992.

The European Union was formed in 1993, it incorporated the EEC and renamed it the European Community. Then, in 2009, the EC's institutions were absorbed into the EU's wider framework and the EEC formally ceased to exist.

Now, tell me why the UK 1975 EEC membership referendum result should still be binding upon us after the EEC itself no longer existed and we had no say whatsoever in becoming EC / EU members?

The statement was that a "referendum" result should be "final/definitive/sacrosanct" what the referendum was about was not mentioned so is immaterial. You are conflating two different things there.

 

[Smug in Boots]

The statement was that a "referendum" result should be "final/definitive/sacrosanct" what the referendum was about was not mentioned so is immaterial. You are conflating two different things there.

There'll be massive justification for leaving ...

... I truly hope those reasons prove correct.

Brexit promised us all a regenerated NHS, control of our borders, thousands of highly paid jobs, low inflation, reduced immigration, excellent legislation and fabulously shaped bananas ...

... what's not to like

 

[Downeys Loup]

In 1975 we were in the EEC which was hugely different to the EU which resulted in Brexit.

The Single European Act of 1987 amended the Treaty of Rome. Its aim was to create a single internal market, which had been proving difficult under the existing Treaties. The SEA replaced many unanimous decision-making processes with Qualified Majority Voting, in order to facilitate the adoption of a raft of European Union legislation by the end of 1992.

The European Union was formed in 1993, it incorporated the EEC and renamed it the European Community. Then, in 2009, the EC's institutions were absorbed into the EU's wider framework and the EEC formally ceased to exist.

Now, tell me why the UK 1975 EEC membership referendum result should still be binding upon us after the EEC itself no longer existed and we had no say whatsoever in becoming EC / EU members?

Our democratically elected UK government had a say at the time and voted on behalf of the nation. They didn’t consider a referendum necessary. Everyone who voted in the UK elections therefore had a say.

 

[DH4]

There'll be massive justification for leaving ...

... I truly hope those reasons prove correct.

Brexit promised us all a regenerated NHS, control of our borders, thousands of highly paid jobs, low inflation, reduced immigration, excellent legislation and fabulously shaped bananas ...

... what's not to like

Don't forget the double decker buses and especially the busty barmaids

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[Smug in Boots]

Don't forget the double decker buses and especially the busty barmaids

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Yeah, buses made in Germany and a Romanian barmaid on a gap year

 

[Daz]

Yeah, buses made in Germany and a Romanian barmaid on a gap year

Don't forget the new blue passports, designed in France and made in Poland

 

[Draig]

The statement was that a "referendum" result should be "final/definitive/sacrosanct" what the referendum was about was not mentioned so is immaterial. You are conflating two different things there.

No. There was nothing to conflate. Either a 1975 EEC membership referendum is binding or it not. I say it isnt, based upon the fact that subsequently the terms and conditions of membership were significantly changed from those that were in place in 1975.

 

[Draig]

Our democratically elected UK government had a say at the time and voted on behalf of the nation. They didn’t consider a referendum necessary. Everyone who voted in the UK elections therefore had a say.

Our democratically elected Government? John Major signed the Maastricht treaty between ousting Thatcher and the 1992 general election. Just how did we, the electorate, have any say in that process?!

 

[Smug in Boots]

No. There was nothing to conflate. Either a 1975 EEC membership referendum is binding or it not. I say it isnt, based upon the fact that subsequently the terms and conditions of membership were significantly changed from those that were in place in 1975.

TBF you could easily argue that the terms and conditions Boris promised in his 'oven ready deal' weren't worth the fat it was basted in.

 

[Saf]

Our democratically elected UK government had a say at the time and voted on behalf of the nation. They didn’t consider a referendum necessary. Everyone who voted in the UK elections therefore had a say.

That's some straw clutching.

The public never had a say solely on whether we wanted to sign up to the European Union. They would have voted in the Conservatives on a number of policies.

 

[Saf]

TBF you could easily argue that the terms and conditions Boris promised in his 'oven ready deal' weren't worth the fat it was basted in.

We had already voted to leave the European Union before he announced his oven ready deal.

 

[Smug in Boots]

We had already voted to leave the European Union before he announced his oven ready deal.

Yes I know, everyone knows.