As a Brit I could easily live in the shadows of the south of France whereas the locals were always being asked for their ID cards ... ... when I worked on the doors, in Nice, I'd sometimes ask for a card despite being paid cash in hand
But, as I understand it, all an EU citizen living in France needs is a valid passport or another valid form of ID (such as an ID card). To allow an EU citizen to live in the UK (if we were still in the EU) we could just ask them to have a valid passport or an ID card from their home country. It wouldn't require us to introduce ID cards here.
I wrote to Priti Patel and suggested they considered undercutting the gangs trafficking people. If you think about it you could wipe them out in a week. Never even received an 'I'm out of the office on holiday, stop bothering me' response.
I agree, but not all leavers want immigration stopped, I can only speak for myself obviously but its a much broader subject than simply stopping the boats coming in.
Sorry mate, just being a bit daft there. If we were demanding ID cards from foreigners living here it wouldn't be long before some people were saying it was victimising or criminalising people.
I agree with both of your points tbh. Not all, if any, 'Remainers' want a flood of immigrants either, especially illegal and particularly those who aren't picked up. As I've said before some of those clinging on for dear life, in dinghies, will be qualified doctors or whatever. Classing everyone as 'undesirable' as the likes of Braverman seems to do is divisive and idiotic ... ... but sadly gets support.
Some really good and interesting points of view being made on here about the subject, I reckon us lot could have sorted it out far better than the calamity government
Oh right, see what you mean. That is probably true. The way I see it, the majority of honest people, of the type that would move to a different country, are going to have a passport anyway so their identity could be easily checked if there was ever a question about their right to be here. I don't see that identity cards would prevent criminal movement unless you had to have a British-issued one to live here, which would mean that there wasn't free movement.
A lot of people wanted to leave simply because the UK wasn’t of interest for the unelected elitist MEP’s unless it was taking. There was this whole obsession with the UK govt offering companies, ie Nissan, subsidiaries to stay in the UK - yet they conveniently don’t mention the EU giving companies subsidiaries to move away from the UK and set up in other EU countries. The whole thing turned into a ****storm because so many people of importance dragged their heels, purposefully, doing anything possible to try and hinder it. We’re past the worst now, our GDP is finally repairing itself and outperforming most large EU states.
It would have to be British ID...and trust me they do work. You literally can do nothing without producing your ID. I lost mine about 3 years and was pretty much house bound for 7 days until my new one was issued. Couldn't see the doctor, Do any Banking, register my car...the list is endless. Criminals would find life suffocating without a valid ID
Oh, I'm sure they do work. It's just if you couldn't live here without one, that would have limited free movement within the EU.
But it was too late,what did they want? The flood was already here and threatening to increase as the Germans and the French expanded their quest for global parity. Much of the leave vote was to try to stop the tide,seeing their communities being transformed into something unfamiliar and frightening. What did remainers think was going to happen......that legal EU free movement migration from an ever expanding network of under-developed countries was ever going to become regulated and stop? Ultra naive if they did. As for the debate between genuine refugees as opposed to economic migrants........that's where the matter of the dinghies becomes really difficult. As a leave voter,I'm not suggesting that genuine refugees should be turned away......but how can you tell? Successive Govts. of both the main parties have betrayed the British people for decades over this issue and it doesn't look like being sorted anytime soon.
Sadly this is very true and what's even worse I don't see anyone coming through who you might think could be a game changer (from either party)The country needs someone of genuine gravitas and know-how who can stamp some authority and get our country moving in the right direction. Its badly needed
I think a lot of vote leavers would have at least hoped some of the promises were actually true and going to be kept. Or that the government who agreed to the vote would at least have an idea how to proceed if the outcome was leave rather than just pissing off into the sunset in Cameron’s case. I know many remainers and leavers, not a single one of either side based their main decision to vote on immigration. Sure it was and still is an issue but for the leavers it was more about hoping to regain control our own laws and not having to pay piles of money to the EU for what appeared to be very little. The remainers were, correctly it appears, worried about there being absolutely no plan should we leave with regards to the trade deals. The whole thing is a shambles.
While we were part of Europe we had much more say in future regulations and the means to put pressure on the French. We've lost both of those things now. Sadly we've made it quicker and easier to jump in a dinghy than go through months or years of bureaucracy. I'm not saying I have the answers but cutting the funding in the immigration services and creating insurmountable waiting lists to process isn't it. Patel, Truss, Braverman, Johnson and Sunak have done nothing more than threaten people ... ... and the worst of it is they think the immigrants should be scared. Imagine, leaving a civil war zone, travelling thousands of miles in the back of a van only to be met by Braverman having a hissy fit ... ... 'please just drop me here mate, I'll make my own way back home'
We've only had one referendum on remaining or leaving the European Union. It wasn't formed until 1993.
i remember the talk of ID's being mooted a few years back, was a topic on the other board and i was surprised at the number who did not want them, as i saw it, if you are here in this country legally then it would be a very useful 'bit of kit' to have on your person. as for the immigrants the problem is that they arrive with no papers so it is impossible to tell/confirm if they are qualified and skilled or to prove they have no criminal activity in their past and that is what people want sorting, they are not out and out racists, they do not hate every other nation...they just want to be sure that those coming into the country are willing to contribute and wont be starting some major criminal scene, like the 'UK branch of the people smuggling ring'.
